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Hey guys, recently I have been looking at the future update which is bound to change the balance of power with regards to the steady evolution toward speed and firepower. What caught my eye was not the Jagd E-100 but rather the choices at tier 8 with regards to the german td line. Currently, I have 82K xp in reserve in my jagdpanther and have the intentions to xp the jagdpanther II. The question is, when the xp transfers from the not-elite ferdinand to the jagdtiger, should I switch to the jagdpanther II to grind for the jagdtiger or should I keep the ferdinand for the grind?

What I like: A tank that is capable of changing games (aka Jagdpanther), High pen/damage, mobility, some armor
What I don't like: the time to research more modules, silver cost

Ferdinand: An awesome Td when upgraded however it's slow speed, no camo, and the power creep brought in by guns that make it's frontal armor (a major selling point) rather...meh. However it does have enough hp/armor to survive currently.

Jagdpanther II: No info but a possible upgrade from my beloved jagdpanther?

Closing thoughts: In the end I want an enjoyable tank that would make me proud to drive German even if it means the enemy will QQ...

If you like speed , then jp2 is the best choice , the 12.8 still have acceptable accuracy so they can snipe and then relocate fast when  enemy have found them .
But don't expect to survive in a direct confrontation though , armor is weak .

Im going for the JP2, armour doesnt matter now, and ferdi has flat armor no slope. ISU-152 has worse armour

the JgPantherII looks similar to JgPzE100 (graphically) but with paper armor (same as PantherII)
Also, it's top engine was...something I can't remember, but it has 870hp and the power to weight ratio is higher than that of ferdinand. The gun is same.
The engines are different. Ferdinand uses engines from Porsche tanks (Maus line) whereas JgPantherII uses engines from E100 line.
I have not confirmed on the camo value of both tanks, but since they have similar height...I don't think either of them can be stealthy.

your choice: Both of them have power, but if u want armor then go for Ferdinand. If u want speed, go for JgPantherII.
If you have went down either German Heavy tank line, then pick the one which uses the same engine to save exp.
E100 line -> JgPantherII
Maus line -> Ferdinand

for me, the ferdi isn't really slow when u have its last engine, but its armor is only good on the superstructure, the hull can be penned by guns with 160+ mm (providing that they aimed right). If u play JgPantherII then forget about armor.
Edited by Gezeiten, Jul 14 2012 - 16:24.

I really should'nt post this, as I haven't actually played the Jagdpanther 2, but from what I've heard and seen so far, the Jagdpanther 2 is what you want. If you don't have any of the other Porsche tanks, there is almost no module carry-over. Jagdpanther 2 on the other hand, shares engines will all the Henschel/MAN tanks.

Same guns as the Ferdi. Jagdpanther 2 even has a higher RoF on the 128mm for some unknown reason.

Much, much more mobile.

Frontal hull armor is 150mm effective, front of the casemate is something like 210mm(?) effective. Enough to protect you from lower tiers, but meaningless against anything high-tier.

Once I've hit my 100k XP goal on my Ferdi, I'm going to rebuy my Jagdpanther, and start grinding XP there.
Edited by Starne, Jul 14 2012 - 16:24.

Ignoring the ROF advantage since that's almost certainly going to be changed (there's no reason at all to have it)...

Tactical mobility saves matches, especially when it has a 128/55 gun. If you wind up on offense on Assault (this is a total mess on the test server since everyone is playing Tier 8-10 TD's) or have to hold something where you cannot put hard cover in front of your hull, you're better off with the Ferdinand, but for almost everything else, I'd rather have the JP II.

It's also the ultimate medium troll. Get up the hill in Himmelsdorf in time to meet the enemy mediums and blow their turrets off.

If you want to ultimately get the Jpz-E100 out of your TD grind, I'd recommend slogging through the Ferdinand. It's a lot more matches with the 6-man crew you will ultimately need, particularly if you want BIA for the reload on the Jpz-E100.

Thanks for the responses, I have indeed unlocked the engines for the jagdpanther II already due to my work on the german heavy/medium line so that wouldn't be an issue. Would the slope of the jagdpanther II protect it enough to be better protected then let's say the ISU? I totally agree btw that the armor of the ferdi is very iffy with its flat slope and the fact that the 200mm or so only covers the area around the gun not the entire front.

Even the thinnest (non-lower hull...) armor on the front of the JP II is more than what's on any part of the ISU-152 except that vehicle's mantlet.

Dont waste Your crew skill on Jgpanther II..
I try in Beta test.
After reachng 100% for all crew in Camouflage + Camo Net,
Jgpanther II is still no better than king tiger II

If I had to grind the german TD line from the begining, I would choose Jpanther II....It would be a natural choice, because Jpanther II share the same engines from Panther and Tiger series.

thx for the info guys, it really helps.

I'm in the same position - I have enough xp on my JP to unlock the Ferdi, but my main tank line is the E100 (currently 2/3 of the way there from the E75). I can't find any info though on whether or not if I unlock the Ferdi now (but don't buy it) I will also have the JPII automatically unlocked at patch time? If not, I best save my xp for the JPII by not unlocking the Ferdi. I hope the JPII is more of the same of the JP. I love the JP, for some freakish reason I have over 60% win rate in it, when I didn't even get to 50% in the the JP4. The JP has rescued the fun factor in WoT for me.

Its funny this question hasn't been asked, but...

How's the gun depression on the JP II? The Ferdi's great for hull down with its flat superstructure.

Hull down is very good. I don't think it will be automatically unlocked as it isn't replacing anything.

There's no reason to not keep grinding on the JP and unlock both of them while you can. The Ferdi will eventually be a crossover from the tigerP to the JT with no path from the JP.  Unless you are planning on going down the Maus path, that's something to bear in mind for future patches.

Interesting, I find my self in the position with almost 70k exp sitting on my elite JP and a Elite Ferdi with about 25k exp sitting on it. I wasnt impressed with the JT in beta and see no reason to get it now. The most fun I got out of the JT was in the last week of beta, driving around using nothing but gold rounds.

As I see it, the JT is a tier 9 gun on a tier 8 hull with tier 1 arty mobility and the cammo capability of a large building lit up like a christmas tree matched up against tier 10 tanks which are faster, hit harder and have better armour.

The new tier 10 mediums will only make its deficiencies more apparent.

StanScorpio, on Jul 24 2012 - 00:42, said:

If you want a know fun factor TD definitly get the Ferdi.
It will be Ferdie love from the start. Believe me,
I have ground out the Ferdinand twice.
Once for the JTiger and next for the E100 Stug.
Its still my favourite TD next to the Stug/SU85/SU100/JPanzer.
Edited by fiddler54, Jul 24 2012 - 20:53.

anyone have any definite figure for the Superstructure front armor of the JP2? I bounced a BL-10 off it in the test server but I was super angled as I was on the reverse slope of a hill at the time.

Don't get me wrong - I love the Ferdi - but the grind was awful till you get the 128mm - after which it is outstanding.  I was still recovering my 'stock grind' win rate  and never did get it above 50% before selling for the JT.  Thankfully I had the engines from the VK4502 but until its elited its just not that good and harder then most stock grinds.......

I for one will rebuy my Ferdi after I get my JpzE100 and E50M where my grinding is concentrated at the moment and will probably get the JPII some time down the track......

but yeah - Ferdi is totally unlike the Jagdpanther - probably one of the contributing reasons why they are splitting the tree.

Cheers

The Baron

Well I've went down all the lines in the German tree except for finishing the medium line (doing the Russian meds now), and I just researched the GW Tiger. Evreything else has been done. As far as the ferdi is concerned, get the gun as fast as u can with free xp if u have it. It's worth playing the tank with the 128 from almost day 1. The gun makes that TD nothing else. That gun is litteraly better then the TX heavy guns the germans get. Some think its the same gun and its not and that's why u have to research it even if u own the 128 on from the t9 heavies. The ferdi offers faster reload and IMHO better RNG.

As for the JT and its guns. The long 128 is a amazing sniping gun with a good ROF and I feel it should be offered on the maus and the new tX Td as a option. The alpha is OK but its acc and pen is where its at. The long 128 makes the JT! The issue is its piss por armor and moblity.

JPII sounds awesome and I'd rather have sloped armor and speed in this game now. I LOVE my JP and will proably regrind on it to get the JPII even though I'll have the line finished when the patch comes out. The tank sounds like hella fun and I might be able to beat my ferdi and jp win ratios of 60% and 63% with it!

Either way guys both tanks will probably offer the best chance at good win ratios then any other TD since the Maurder II. The JT can be frustrating to play at times because u want to effect the battle more. With the JT u have to put yourself in the right spots and let the battle come to it. The new TD sounds like it will be more of the same but with a high apha gun and low ROF.

xProlesx, on Jul 14 2012 - 16:13, said:

the exp will transfer only if your ferdi is elite

i realy love the ferdi, the 128mm is awesome and his armor is awesome too
when i go head to head with other t8 some of them have a realy hard time pen me unless thay know weakspot, even then u can drive back in zigzag maneuver increasing the chances thay will not  pen u
once an e75 and e100 didnt pen me coz  of this (for 2 shots and then thay rape me)

in t8 armor is a big deal
most of the time when you fight in citys map will find yourself getting zerg or holding a line all by yourself with no cover
speed mean less in the top tires coz all tank are slow

in my opinion wait till we get the jp2 and then choose