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[darkdog9]

Just wanted to know what everyone thought about the removal of the 100mm from both the T-34-85 & T-43.

Imo with the new Matchmaker the removal of the 100mm from the T-34-85 makes sense but the T-43 is just i mean pretty much your gonna have a 3002db without the armor, atm the russian 100mm is equal to the american 90mm on the t20 which has slightly lower penetration but better aim time and accuracy.

Here is a well written post about the 7.5 changes to the T-43 and how it compares to the other tier 7 mediums
http://forum.worldof...04-t-43-thread/

[DrRitchofen]

what i dont get is the vk3601 gets the short 8.8cm and does the same amount of damage as the 1d10t gun. it just has about 43 less pen. which isnt much....and has a higher rof

Edited by DrRitchofen, Jul 25 2012 - 19:19.

[darkdog9]

DrRitchofen, on Jul 25 2012 - 19:19, said:

what i dont get is the vk3601 gets the short 8.8cm and does the same amount of damage as the 1d10t gun. it just has about 43 less pen. which isnt much....and has a higher rof

What sucks even worse is in 7.5 you will now have almost 40 less alpha and only 12 more pen which is really almost nothing.

[DrRitchofen]

the VK has way more armor too and is almost just as manuverable

[Donut64]

Removing the 100mm on the T-43 will make that tank UTTER GARBAGE. Its gun is the ONLY decent thing about that tank.
The T-34-85 might be able to function without the 100mm, I can't say, but it is a tier 6 and this the max it should get placed with is going to be tier 8s.

[Silty]

DrRitchofen, on Jul 25 2012 - 19:19, said:

it just has about 43 less pen. which isnt much....

Lol, I don't think 43 pen isn't much.

It only feels that way because the great aim time and accuracy makes it easy to aim the short 88, while the T-34-85's terrible dispersion stats make the D-10T hard to aim.

T-34-85 was a unique and balanced tank; the extra pen was only strictly necessary against higher tiers so it should matter even less with the new matchmaker.  The terrible DPM and soft stats actually made it the weakest gun by far, in a duel with a same-tier medium.  In 7.5, they just made it more dull without fixing any balance issues, that's all.

Edited by Silty, Jul 28 2012 - 05:38.

[INKRO]

DrRitchofen, on Jul 25 2012 - 19:19, said:

what i dont get is the vk3601 gets the short 8.8cm and does the same amount of damage as the 1d10t gun. it just has about 43 less pen. which isnt much....and has a higher rof

43mm is a LOT of pen in the middle tiers, it's the difference between the penetration range of the M1A2/Short 88/L/70 and the M3 and D10T. You pen a whole lot more things with the latter penetration threshold compared to the former.

The MM and balance changes are going to favor tanks with the short 88 quite a bit, but I suspect not nearly as much as it'll benefit the Shermans. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jumbo is the new tier 6 medium king.

[darkdog9]

Have been playing the e8 recently and found that even with a low pen gun i can pen up to 8's in the sides/rear the problem i see is the 34-85 and t43 seem to be nowhere near as nimble or quick as a sherman which is bad when your stuck with a low pen gun.

I would love to know who voted the t43 better with 85mm.

[PanzerHyeena]

darkdog9, on Jul 29 2012 - 07:21, said:

Have been playing the e8 recently and found that even with a low pen gun i can pen up to 8's in the sides/rear the problem i see is the 34-85 and t43 seem to be nowhere near as nimble or quick as a sherman which is bad when your stuck with a low pen gun.

I would love to know who voted the t43 better with 85mm.

I've used my T-43 with the 85mm since I got it live, used the 100mm for a while but switched back. They're also giving the T-34-85 and the T-43 a 600hp engine to use which is a huge boost compared to the 520 and 560 top engines they currently use in their elite configurations and should make them much more nimble.

[TheKommandant]

I'm hoping that's the case Ferret, I've been growing to like the fast tanks since I got into the T-50 line, so hopefully they'll be a bit like that. I can see a 600hp engine making a lot of difference to the T-34-85

[PanzerHyeena]

TheKommandant, on Jul 29 2012 - 13:48, said:

I'm hoping that's the case Ferret, I've been growing to like the fast tanks since I got into the T-50 line, so hopefully they'll be a bit like that. I can see a 600hp engine making a lot of difference to the T-34-85

Hopefully it makes it play a bit more like the T-44 which for a medium is wonderfully nimble. Currently the T-34-85 has a 15.25 hp/t ratio the new engine will give it 17.6 hp/t which is a massive leap. The T-43 will have about 16.9 which is an improvement but not as much, but probably enough.

[ApathyCurve]

Donut64, on Jul 27 2012 - 22:23, said:

Removing the 100mm on the T-43 will make that tank UTTER GARBAGE. Its gun is the ONLY decent thing about that tank.

Yup.  Unfortunately, when devs start swinging the nerf bat, they tend to get overly enthusiastic and start knocking over things they shoudn't.  As the 43's w/l ratio plummets over the next six months, they'll eventually have to bump the gun back onto it.  In the meantime, I've got to put up with the grind.  Or maybe just free xp past it; haven't decided yet.  From what I can tell so far, the tank is pretty well crap even with the 100mm.  It's like a slower cousin of the excellent T-34-85.  I'll give it a few dozen more games, but honestly the tank is just a necessary step on the way to the Cold War tanks at the top of this branch.  I've no real affinity for it.

[NuclearBanane]

Am I the only one who relizes we ARENT getting a new gun?

D-5T-85BM is already on the T-43 and T-34-85, and its garbage.
The T34-85 with the 100mm was good but wasn't OP. everyone knows where to hit the T-34-85 because of the light skins.

And then they decided to get unreasonable by taking away speed and maveurvrability from it, which it was only OK at in the first place.
I was going to buy some Premium tanks but I think I'll go play WoWP until they kill that as well.

I heard they are complaining about money and I was thinking about buying some premiums but not anymore.
This is the nerf that broke the camels back IMO.
Even the economy nerf on the E2 is stupid, they already nerfed its 105mm.

R.I.P Ussr Meds.
~Nuke

[Kmaster43]

My T-44 stock is sitting on my garage thankfully.

Panther have a 198pen/0,3 acc gun
T20s have 160pen/0,38 acc gun
And we get the peashooter 85mm D-57 144pen/0,37 acc gun.

I really don't see the balance on this. Even the idiot gun had horrible accuracy and very high aiming time, but at least you could get in dogfights.

[shareluk]

this tank can not get in any same/above tier dogfight even with D10T 100mm gun you still to do a wolfpack do kill or survive