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[Slakrrrrrr]

I'm not a Soviet tank driver, only German and French (eventually British). The KV-1S mounts a 390 damage, 175 pen gun at tier 6, while the competition has either a 88-90mm with ~200mm or a 100-105mm with ~170 penetration (i'm guessing the VK3601H will get some sort of gun buff when it is revised as a heavy tank). My question is, why does it get such a good gun in comparison to the other tier 8 heavies? Why doesn't it get only a 100mm like the T-150 and KV-2?

[DeathStallion]

It doesn't have good armor like most of the other tier 6 Heavy's. So the gun makes up for it i guess.

[MotorizedPatriot]

T-150 and KV-2 get 107mm's.

KV-2 also gets a 152mm.

[holypk]

You do know both kv-2 and T-150 gets the 107mm right? Most Soviet tanks-line are pretty bad before tier 6. Once they get to elite tier 6 they pretty much have an easy ride to the top (save the IS-8). If you think tier 6 with 175 pen and 390 damage is bad. Remember the KV at tier 5 getting the 107 and the 152? Su-100 gets the 122mm at tier 6 as well. You can almost argue the Soviet gets the best tank of it's tier on every tier pass tier 5. expamples:KV (with the derp and 107), KV-3 (at tier 6), IS (some argue t29 is better), IS-3, IS-4(back when it was tier 9), IS-7. If you see the pattern here, it used to be much worse than now.

[Can_O_Spam]

The 122mm on the KV1s is a mixed bag. Alpha damage is amazing, but the reload is painfully slow. If you can keep from getting bum rushed after you fire it ain't bad. But that bane of the KV1s is a few mediums. You have to know where you are and who else is around with it. And with a short view range slow reload and thin armor its a coffin when a few mediums show up.

[PTwr]

This penetration with Soviet accuracy often leads to freak bounces as you can never trust your gun on distance over 200 meters, in meantime, VK 3601 on same distance can easily disable KV-1S module after module, or just aim at flat surfaces and penetrate it at ease.

So KV-1S commander shouts to driver: "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!", while VK 3601 commander says to gunner: "Yaaawwn, just shot it.".

[Gling24]

PTwr, on Jul 31 2012 - 08:30, said:

This penetration with Soviet accuracy often leads to freak bounces as you can never trust your gun on distance over 200 meters, in meantime, VK 3601 on same distance can easily disable KV-1S module after module, or just aim at flat surfaces and penetrate it at ease.

So KV-1S commander shouts to driver: "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!", while VK 3601 commander says to gunner: "Yaaawwn, just shot it.".

Exactly xD

[Genesis0071]

The ARL gets 212 pen gun with 240 dmg...

[Slakrrrrrr]

Genesis0071, on Jul 31 2012 - 09:56, said:

The ARL gets 212 pen gun with 240 dmg...

...which falls into my "88-90mm with ~200 pen" category.

[Sgt_Nev]

But the armor on the thing is terrible, the gun makes up for what it lacks.

[PTwr]

Sgt_Nev, on Jul 31 2012 - 10:13, said:

But the armor on the thing is terrible, the gun makes up for what it lacks.

And never forget about its stock turret.

If you ever think that ARL have to big cannon, remember that it have even bigger turret!
http://cft2.igromani...57317/ARL44.jpg

Edited by PTwr, Jul 31 2012 - 10:37.

[Dorjan]

PTwr, on Jul 31 2012 - 08:30, said:

This penetration with Soviet accuracy often leads to freak bounces as you can never trust your gun on distance over 200 meters, in meantime, VK 3601 on same distance can easily disable KV-1S module after module, or just aim at flat surfaces and penetrate it at ease.

So KV-1S commander shouts to driver: "Drive me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!", while VK 3601 commander says to gunner: "Yaaawwn, just shot it.".

This. This. This.

All my friends think i'm crazy when I charge close and when they're all dead they're like "Stop aiming for the turret" and things like that... I say "I was aiming for the tracks with 100% aim..." and they're always "yeah right".

Grr...

Drive the russians yourself and see! They gotta get close. A decent team of other stuff can really hurt the Company Battle KV-1S brigade. (Just a hint, a decent T-50 can easily kill a KV-1S 1 vs 1, no armour).

[DeadlyTreadly]

PTwr, on Jul 31 2012 - 10:35, said:

And never forget about its stock turret.

If you ever think that ARL have to big cannon, remember that it have even bigger turret!
http://cft2.igromani...57317/ARL44.jpg

It looks like someone stuck a plunger onto a lunchbox.

[Lord_Zappa]

DeadlyTreadly, on Aug 01 2012 - 15:14, said:

It looks like someone stuck a plunger onto a lunchbox.

lol.

[hoom]

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The 122mm on the KV1s is a mixed bag. Alpha damage is amazing, but the reload is painfully slow. If you can keep from getting bum rushed after you fire it ain't bad. But that bane of the KV1s is a few mediums. You have to know where you are and who else is around with it. And with a short view range slow reload and thin armor its a coffin when a few mediums show up.

This.

RoF is a lousy 3.75 with 3.4s aim-time and 0.46 accuracy.
If you hit & if it hits somewhere that isn't a spaced mantlet or those couple of pixels at auto-ricochet angle, it'll WHOMP your foe.
But you're very vulnerable for a long time after that.
T6 KV3 could often rely on its armor during the 122mm reload time but not KV1S.

[Sovek1944]

The 122mm D-2-5T and the D-25T are horrible for their tiers. While yes you get the D-2-5T as early as the KV-1S, its not without its problems.

That tank is a glass cannon, painfully so at times. The D-2-5T is wildly inaccurate and has a 12-15 second reload. The D-25T isn't much better, same pen, same dispersion, slightly faster reload, The IS is screwed because a Tiger, AMX M4 1945 and T29 all have much improved guns. They don't have the "BACK BACK BACK!!! THAT HURTS" that the IS has, but their guns are considerably more reliable. The 100mm 1D10T gun isn't much better, same pen, slightly more accurate (not enough), higher ROF but less alpha and or DPM.

The KV-1S is almost better off using the 85mm because for all intensive purposes, it IS a medium. Heck, its 85mm isn't bad for a T6 medium tank either.

[Nikolai_Mikoyan]

That 122mm D-2-5T is a compensation for the KV-1S's low armor and sub-par HP

Also, the D-2-5T did have several setbacks that prevents some people from the thought of using it without proper consideration, namely;

- Poor accuracy
- Longest reload time of all tier 6 (save for the DERP on the KV-2)
- Most expensive shell of all tier 6

[Silty]

The tank is balanced according to its win rate.  It has too many other weaknesses.  But if you can make it work, why not get one?  Due to its win rate, I doubt it will be nerfed any time soon!

[PTwr]

DeadlyTreadly, on Aug 01 2012 - 15:14, said:

It looks like someone stuck a plunger onto a lunchbox.

My thoughts, exactly same.

[Noowin]

I seem to make it work, I get at least a kill a game if my team is partially decent