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Gohibniu #121 Posted Jan 10 2013 - 22:11

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Bump. Is there an updated table out yet?

Fluffenthumper #122 Posted Jan 10 2013 - 23:04

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Wow, very cool... never saw this table before.  For once, I'm glad someone bumped an old thread.

Thanks.

Is still table still valid, or were values changed in the 8.2 update?

SHISHKABOB #123 Posted Jan 10 2013 - 23:13

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most likely, if there were any changes, they were minor and few in number. It's not like they're going to make huge changes to every tank's camo factors every patch.

Daiichi #124 Posted Jan 10 2013 - 23:54

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View PostFluffenthumper, on Jan 10 2013 - 23:04, said:

Wow, very cool... never saw this table before.  For once, I'm glad someone bumped an old thread.

Thanks.

Is still table still valid, or were values changed in the 8.2 update?

Yeah, it still valid. If there was changes as someone said they are probably small.

Also note Chinese will be done probably shortly after 8.3 is fully released. That's according to what I read on EU forums.

Veril #125 Posted Jan 11 2013 - 00:19

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View PostGohibniu, on Jan 10 2013 - 22:11, said:

Bump. Is there an updated table out yet?

I plan to update it after 8.3 with the new Chinese tanks is released and the original RU forum topic is updated with them.

heavymetal1967 #126 Posted Jan 11 2013 - 15:13

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Don't know how often the tables/data are updated or rechecked.  I know they add tanks as tanks are added and I'm guessing that if patch notes indicates a tank's camo value has changed they test it cause they seem pretty hardcore.  I doubt they test tanks already charted unless it's announced the camo has changed.  But that's a guess the original thread may be more specifc in regards to updating the tables.

Since this got a bump the data is out for tanks in 8.2 which I posted earlier but it's on an earlier page so here it is for anyone that may have missed it.

View Postheavymetal1967, on Dec 19 2012 - 20:39, said:

Pardon me if this is mentioned earlier, but the latest post here is before the last edit in the "reference" thread/post.

Seems the data is out for the new tanks in 8.2.

Here's the link (but for some reason I'm having trouble opening the spoilers once I use Google Translate even if I swap back to "original"),

Translated, http://translate.goo...%B8-%D0%B2-wot/

Original, http://forum.worldof...-техники-в-wot/

Pardon this rude display.  Tank then camo stationary, then moving, then firing the specific gun which is listed last.


New US Tanks
T21..............................19,4..............................19,4..............................4,8..............................76 mm Gun M1A2

T71..............................20..............................20..............................4,97.............................. 76 mm Gun T185

T69..............................8,5..............................5,7..............................2,08..............................90 mm Gun T178

T54E1..............................6,85..............................4..............................1,36..............................105 mm Gun T140E2

T57 HT..............................6,85..............................3,5..............................1,27..............................120 mm Gun T179

New Premium Tanks

FCM 50 t ..............................4,5..............................2,3..............................1,04..............................90mm DCA 45

AT-15A..............................11,5..............................5,7..............................3,9..............................OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII AT

TOG II*..............................4,5 ..............................2,3..............................1,1..............................OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII

EDIT: And the other tanks are in the opening post.  I haven't compared that data to the most recent data in the original thread to see if it changed though.

Edited by heavymetal1967, Jan 11 2013 - 15:19.


Rick8204 #127 Posted Jan 11 2013 - 15:31

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It's all russian communist bullshit... you can't convince me that they don't set up russians as better than everything else.  Bias against German equipment is rife in battles.

Edited by Rick8204, Jan 11 2013 - 15:32.


Yankee #128 Posted Jan 11 2013 - 15:45

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This game comes from Belarus, not Russia. Neither is communist.

German tech stopped in 1945. The tanks are inferior, it's not hidden, it's not bias, they are just bad tanks.

Tnater #129 Posted Jan 11 2013 - 18:46

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View Post8112204, on Dec 10 2012 - 02:17, said:

Russian tanks were also fielded in overwhelming numbers. Is that reflected in game?

Yeah, and Russian tanks smell like borscht and old vodka.  Is that reflected in game?

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View PostTnater, on Jan 11 2013 - 18:46, said:

Yeah, and Russian tanks smell like borscht and old vodka.  Is that reflected in game?

We'd be greatly impressed if WG could make a game that also included smells.

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View PostDraculthemad, on Aug 06 2012 - 04:01, said:

The russian camo bonus is their "thing" other than generally being small.

As others have pointed out, they do suffer some weaknesses in contrast:

They have weaker view range.
Their guns have worse aim time, and generally the least accuracy of the three.
They have worse gun depression.
They also have less ammo stowage.

This last often gets overlooked, its also why they have ammo stores squirrelled away all over the tank sometimes.

The total kill potential of russian tanks is sharply limited. I have had a couple of lucky 11 kill matches in german tanks, with ammo left over. I dont think that could happen on a russian tank, as id have simply run out of ammo entirely before getting there.

Try T10, then compare German to Russian, specifically, the 268 to the JPE. 40 meters spotted distance is life or death. Not sure how anyone can say that makes no difference.

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View Postteamoldmill, on Jan 11 2013 - 23:16, said:

Try T10, then compare German to Russian, specifically, the 268 to the JPE. 40 meters spotted distance is life or death. Not sure how anyone can say that makes no difference.

Maybe because the 268 is more like a Lamborghini, while the JP E-100 is like a big old barn. Just saying.

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View PostRick8204, on Jan 11 2013 - 15:31, said:

It's all russian communist bullshit... you can't convince me that they don't set up russians as better than everything else.  Bias against German equipment is rife in battles.

View PostYankee, on Jan 11 2013 - 15:45, said:

This game comes from Belarus, not Russia. Neither is communist.

German tech stopped in 1945. The tanks are inferior, it's not hidden, it's not bias, they are just bad tanks.

View PostTnater, on Jan 11 2013 - 18:46, said:

Yeah, and Russian tanks smell like borscht and old vodka.  Is that reflected in game?

View Postteamoldmill, on Jan 11 2013 - 23:16, said:

Try T10, then compare German to Russian, specifically, the 268 to the JPE. 40 meters spotted distance is life or death. Not sure how anyone can say that makes no difference.

Anti-communists of the world, unite!  :Smile_veryhappy:
McCarthy would be proud of you!

Seriously guys. Cold War ended long time ago, Russia is as capitalist as you. It is ruled by powerful corporations, just like you.
Give them a break, for God's sake.

Danyir_Amore #134 Posted Jan 17 2013 - 11:21

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first time i saw this chart I re did my t44 crew skills to camo and painted the thing and got an instant invisitank, the thing is when i moved to the t54 (same crew and whatnot) I notice im less sneaky despite being in basically the same battles (read enemy tanks had the same view ranges). maybe its just me but in my t44 i got to watch an enemy t110e5 get shot to pieces at 60m (yay for spot dmg!) but in my t54 i just can't do that sort of thing anymore.

furthermore i think that camo values ought to be a tangible statistic not a top secret so we can all figure whether or not to pursue camo skills.  my e50m crew has a bunch of camo and it never seemed to help and now i know why. wouldv'e been nice to know before wasting all the xp.

oh and I think many of us would shut up about russian bias if the e100 could just get a proper gun for god's sake.  I don't care about whether or not they were historic this is a game and the e100 is a pile of crap, either give its gun penetration comparable to other tierX guns or give it enough accuracy to aim for weakspots.

Edited by Danyir_Amore, Jan 17 2013 - 11:23.


heavymetal1967 #135 Posted Jan 28 2013 - 02:21

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Bump as the Chinese tanks have been added,

Tank Class is first column, tiering second, specific tank third, camo stationary fourth, camo moving fifth, firing gun (that is listed in last/seventh column) is sixth column.



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Тип  Уровень   Название   Стоит неподвижно,% В движении,% В момент выстрела,% Установленное орудие
ЛТ   1    NC-31    13,7 11,4 3,53 37 mm KwK 36 L/46.5
ЛТ   2    VAE Type B   16   13,1 3,96 45 mm 20K
ЛТ   3    Type 2597 Chi-Ha 17,7 14,85    4,91 47 mm Gun Type 1
ЛТ   4    M5A1 Stuart 18,85    18,85    5,2 47 mm Gun Type 1
ЛТ   6    59-16    19,95    19,95    4,97 76 mm 54-76TG(aut)
ЛТ   7    WZ-131   18,85    18,85    3,99 100 mm 59-100T
ЛТ   8    WZ-132   19,35    19,35    4,05 100 mm 59-100T
Тип  Уровень   Название   Стоит неподвижно,% В движении,% В момент выстрела,% Установленное орудие
СТ   5    Type T-34    14,8 9,1 4,02 57 mm 55-57FG
СТ   6    Type 58 12,5 6,85 3,18 85 mm 56-85JT
СТ   7    T-34-1   18,8 13,15    3,96 100 mm 44-100JT
СТ   8    T-34-2   18,3 13,15    3,84 100 mm 59-100T
СТ   9    WZ-120   17,7 12,6 3,18 122 mm 60-122TG
СТ   10   121 17,7 12,6 3,18 122 mm 60-122TG
СТ   8    Type 59 17,5 12,5 3,76 100 mm Type 59
Тип  Уровень   Название   Стоит неподвижно,% В движении,% В момент выстрела,% Установленное орудие
TТ   7    IS-2 11,4 6,85 2,2 122 mm D-25T
TТ   8    110 6,85 3,47 1,07 100 mm 62-100T
TТ   9    WZ-111   6,85 3,47 1,04 122 mm 60-122T
TТ   10   113 6,85 3,47 1,3 122 mm 60-122T

Again here's the original link untranslated as the spoilers don't open (for me at least with Google Translate), http://forum.worldof...-техники-в-wot/

EDIT:  For anyone wanting a translated version of the other tanks the tanks up to 8.1 are in the opening post and the new tanks in 8.2 are in this post, http://forum.worldof...87#entry3292087

However once you are familiar with the column layout the original thread on the RU server is pretty easy to follow and has them all compiled together.

Edit2: Of particular note is that according to the original thread the tier 1-3 Chinese lights lose camo when moving.  Not saying that it's right or wrong but the RU testers seem to be pretty thorough.   And these aren't the only nation's light tanks they have a lower listed camo rating for when moving.

Edited by heavymetal1967, Jan 28 2013 - 02:38.


Veril #136 Posted Jan 29 2013 - 17:14

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Updated tables with all new vehicles.

allantorres #137 Posted Jan 29 2013 - 17:46

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where is type 62?

Dudzio_1225 #138 Posted Jan 31 2013 - 07:26

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big thanks for your work bro. now, i can see how this game is fuckd up. thanks again

Mazz #139 Posted Jan 31 2013 - 07:30

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Interesting to see the Chinese inch out the Russians for best camo values in the high tier meds. Kinda hilarious when applied to the power creep argument, as close to not being improved as possible while still being an improvement.

Edited by Mazz, Jan 31 2013 - 07:32.


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Never understood how this is updated, T-43 100mm >.>





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