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[KiwiMark67]

buddha222, on Aug 08 2012 - 10:55, said:

Unless I am reading the chart wrong, this means the ELC can get into Battles Tier 7-12

6-9 is what is listed on the chart, down the bottom where some individual tanks are listed.

[buddha222]

KiwiMark67, on Aug 08 2012 - 11:58, said:

6-9 is what is listed on the chart, down the bottom where some individual tanks are listed.

Flipping beautiful mark - thanks

[Tazilon]

buddha222, on Aug 08 2012 - 10:55, said:

You're right - the VK-2801 T-50-2 Chaffee are weighed like Tier 6 light tanks.

By the MM not knowing the difference, I'm saying it will put a 2 ELCs on one side, and give the other side 2 T-50s. Both sides have light tanks right? But only one side gets scouts?

I agree with you that it's not a scout, but in the absence of dedicated scouts it might be the only thing you have to fulfill the role - lighting up stuff close to the front line and using its speed to hide.

In the absence of other tanks at the end of a Battle, a M41 might have to scout - that doesn't make it a Scout.

[coondawg47]

I agree that the ELC is not a "scout".  Now if I had a dollar for every time a team mate has demanded I do my "job" and "scout" whether I am in my ELC or 13/90 I would be a rich man.  What we say/discuss here about tanks and their role in the game is great and enlightening.  Folks that routinely come to this forum are the players that want to get better at the game and generally have a good grasp of all aspects of WOT.  Your average pub player thinks all "light tanks" are scouts and will sometimes shoot you if you don't go "scout".  So, you can argue classifications of the "lights" vs "scouts" all day, and we can mostly agree, but it won't change the overall perceptions of most players in the game.  I "scout" differently in the ELC than the 13/90 because of view range and radio range.  ELC=mid range scouting, staying in radio range of friendly forces, spotting tanks and then keeping them under observation until detected, then hauling tail back to cover or friendlies or placing a well aimed shot, then scooting somewhere else.  Doing this keeps the unenlightened pubbies happy and then I can get down to serious business of killing tanks.

Edited by coondawg47, Aug 08 2012 - 15:45.

[Cat0020]

Thank you everyone for reading this post.

[Tazilon]

coondawg47, on Aug 08 2012 - 15:23, said:

I agree that the ELC is not a "scout".  Now if I had a dollar for every time a team mate has demanded I do my "job" and "scout" whether I am in my ELC or 13/90 I would be a rich man.  What we say/discuss here about tanks and their role in the game is great and enlightening.  Folks that routinely come to this forum are the players that want to get better at the game and generally have a good grasp of all aspects of WOT.  Your average pub player thinks all "light tanks" are scouts and will sometimes shoot you if you don't go "scout".  So, you can argue classifications of the "lights" vs "scouts" all day, and we can mostly agree, but it won't change the overall perceptions of most players in the game.  I "scout" differently in the ELC than the 13/90 because of view range and radio range.  ELC=mid range scouting, staying in radio range of friendly forces, spotting tanks and then keeping them under observation until detected, then hauling tail back to cover or friendlies or placing a well aimed shot, then scooting somewhere else.  Doing this keeps the unenlightened pubbies happy and then I can get down to serious business of killing tanks.

Forget the dissing "pub" players.  Your average clan players are just as bad.

[coondawg47]

Tazilon, on Aug 08 2012 - 20:08, said:

Forget the dissing "pub" players.  Your average clan players are just as bad.

I was "dissing" the pub players that don't try to get better at this game, reading the posts here has made me a better player.  So whether they are or are not in a clan doesn't matter.  Pub player is a player that doesn't play clan wars or company battles.  I am a "pub" player, so lighten up Francis.

[Tazilon]

Why not just say "player"?

[iomegaman]

Grogidubnus, on Aug 08 2012 - 08:36, said:

If you say the T-50-2's tracks are so weak, why don't you use the Enhanced Torsion Bars 1 t Class on it instead of the Rammer? Since the suspension equipment upgrade increases your track hitpoints by 30%...

I just added the Enhanced Torsion Bar on my T-50 last weekend when equipment was half-off.  I haven't been tracked since.   Great upgrade!

[2_minutes_hate]

Seem like the radio range on ELC makes it ineffective scout

[buddha222]

buddha222, on Aug 08 2012 - 10:55, said:

You're right - the VK-2801 T-50-2 Chaffee are weighed like Tier 6 light tanks.
By the MM not knowing the difference, I'm saying it will put a 2 ELCs on one side, and give the other side 2 T-50s. Both sides have light tanks right? But only one side gets scouts?
I agree with you that it's not a scout, but in the absence of dedicated scouts it might be the only thing you have to fulfill the role - lighting up stuff close to the front line and using its speed to hide.

Tazilon, on Aug 08 2012 - 14:36, said:

In the absence of other tanks at the end of a Battle, a M41 might have to scout - that doesn't make it a Scout.

Agreed - as any tank might. I was stating, that in the absense of 'true' scout tanks, the ELC could fill the role.

I also agreed that the ELC was and is not a scout tank - you don't need to argue the point on someone who is agreeing with you.

It makes it appear that in your opinion, the ELC, under no circumstance should ever scout.

[eisen1973]

cleef, on Aug 08 2012 - 08:40, said:

Now you need to add the AMX ELC (trust me). ;)

I agree. This little beast has got me.

[Tazilon]

buddha222, on Aug 09 2012 - 07:04, said:

Agreed - as any tank might. I was stating, that in the absense of 'true' scout tanks, the ELC could fill the role.

I also agreed that the ELC was and is not a scout tank - you don't need to argue the point on someone who is agreeing with you.

It makes it appear that in your opinion, the ELC, under no circumstance should ever scout.

If you were in a battle and the only tanks left were a Maus and a T95, which one fits the role?   Hypotheticals are meaningless and don't change the fact the ELC AMX Roach is not a Scout.

[Cat0020]

i will be adding the ELC soon

[buddha222]

Tazilon, on Aug 09 2012 - 07:15, said:

If you were in a battle and the only tanks left were a Maus and a T95, which one fits the role?   Hypotheticals are meaningless and don't change the fact the ELC AMX Roach is not a Scout.

Already agreed to this several times - most psychologists will say that you can't argue with someone who is agreeing with you, but you seem to defy this logic.

Let me guess, you are going to respond to this telling me it's not a scout?

buddha222, on Aug 08 2012 - 09:18, said:

"Unlike most light tanks, the ELC AMX is *not* a scout

buddha222, on Aug 08 2012 - 10:55, said:

I agree with you that it's not a scout

buddha222, on Aug 09 2012 - 07:04, said:

I also agreed that the ELC was and is not a scout tank.

[BuckRodgers]

Yes the ELC isnt a dedicated scout, rush deep into enemy lines and chances are good you will lose radio range on at least some of your team thats on the opposite side of the map from you. That being said the tank makes a good early game passive scout because of its super high camo while both stationary and mobile and great speed and mobility. Then once your team starts to push up you can help by lighting up usual enemy camp locations and making some jousting runs while you are at it.

While yes it doesnt fit the definition of a scout tank the fact is its capabilities give it some of the best qualities you find in scout tanks while still having the ability to get a positive credit flow even in bad games. So for people who want to try out a scout without having to do the fairly hard grind to get one the ELC makes a good Babby's first scout.

[cheesellama]

I'd suggest the Type 62. It's a super-rare chaffee with sloped armor in the front!

[Tazilon]

cheesellama, on Aug 10 2012 - 16:22, said:

I'd suggest the Type 62. It's a super-rare chaffee with sloped armor in the front!

Unfortunately, people who bought it almost 10 hours ago still don't have it.

Plus that, its a Tier VI, so it doesn't qualify.

Edited by Tazilon, Aug 10 2012 - 17:06.

[skyf24]

Hey Cat0020, whered you get that sig at? I've seen a lot of em but i dunno where to get one.

Also, very nice guide. Although i've played all but the 2801, this is still well worth reading.