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[taconight]

I am extremely frustrated by the teams i am put against.

i am new, i have read a ton of information on this game.

im in a tier 3 medium tank. I am thrown in matches where as soon as i see it's tier v's i am so discouraged to even play. If tanks cannot do damage to other tanks , they shouldn't be in matchmaking. I am not talking about aiming, or finding the right spot. Matchmaking gives t5 players free food on tier 3's. Our point as new players in these matches is not worth even playing the round. This isn't a once in a blue moon type thing this is 4 games in a row where we have 3 tier 3's the rest all 4,5's. The simple fact is that it takes a god damn miracle to do any damage.

I am not asking to have the same damage, they are by far the better tanks. Zero damage is unacceptable and even in the sweet spots , the damage is non existent because the tank is so inferior that it makes shooting pointless.

I am either missing something completely in this game, or this matchmaking system is so far out of whack. i really don't understand why i would be put in a match where i do zero damage. I get my panzer 4, same thing, im against t vii's , wtf is the point exactly? im supposed to grind for a month to actually feel like i can contribute on a regular basis.

I am sorry for the venting but as a new player this is kinda disturbing. im trying to figure out what my use is as a tier 3 tank against tanks that one shot, and i could unload my entire ammo store and still not kill them. I aim for tracks, try to get around back but if it's a tier 3 (me) vs a churchill or any other tier v it really doesn't matter.

Edited by taconight, Aug 09 2012 - 23:19.

[POKEDSMOT]

Just because you get matched up with T5 tanks doesn't mean you "have" to engage them. Not all of the tanks are T5's.

At T3 you can damage easily upto T4 and will have some difficulty penning T5s head on, try flanking.

Churchill you need to stay away from with a Tier 3 medium unless you can flank from a distance and do a drive by on his rear .

Hang a sec let me see what tanks you have.

What server are you playing on?

Edited by POKEDSMOT, Aug 09 2012 - 23:28.

[Nerdynoob2]

If you're doing zero damage, you're doing it wrong.

Also, "literally" driving you away? It's pushing you into a car and driving you far from WoT?

[taconight]

thank you

im on u.s server. It's really not a matter of flanking. I try to get into a good position, against 4/5's with the amount of shots it takes even from behind , im still too vulnerable because it takes them 1 , 2, 3, shots to immobilze/ko me.

Edited by taconight, Aug 09 2012 - 23:28.

[BruceArtilery]

PM me for some low tier platoons if you like.  I will be happy to help you out for a bit.

[Ranork]

Yeah the above has some good points.
DOn't get me wrong it is tough when starting out but don't think you wasted cause you can't pen the top half of the other team, remember its a TEAM that wins matches and you will get on winning TEAMS and losing TEAMS.
You can help your TEAM, if you see higher tiers in a battle and experience tells you that you cannot pen or damage them then save yourself for another encounter.
Spot and withdraw, don't fall in to the temptation of having a shot anyhow as this will unmask you to the enemy.
Keep moving, don't stop unless completely undetected.
As a rule if you are spotted and disengaging count slowly to TEN after you lose sight of them. You will then be clear of any follow up arty.

[taconight]

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As a rule if you are spotted and disengaging count slowly to TEN after you lose sight of them. You will then be clear of any follow up arty.

good info , thank you

[Sgt_Kachalin]

np with venting, done right. The game can be frustrating.

Looking at your stats you have a better (much) record in your top played tier 3 (a light?) than in your tier 4s and 5s. Only see one tier 3 med with only 4 games. Did you mean a hard time in the tier 4/5 against the 6/8s you see?

At any rate, it's pretty simple: fighting higher tiers demands different game play. There is no way around it, as all tanks (till you get to the highest tiers) cannot trade blows with all other tanks they'll face. You'll find this all the way up, and learning to do it at tiers 3-5 is critical to being any good at all at the higher tiers. (It's why you see lousy premium tier 8 players... they thought they could buy their way out of learning how to fight tougher opponents.)

If you're not up to learning that - and it can be done, just look at folks with lots of wins in those tiers - then the frustration will not end.

--- edit, lol people have responded with *real* advice. Follow it, especially platoon with folks better than you are now, and all will be made clear.

Edited by Sgt_Kachalin, Aug 09 2012 - 23:32.

[POKEDSMOT]

Can't find you on the NA server

I found you.

Your doing something right.

Edited by POKEDSMOT, Aug 09 2012 - 23:32.

[stugger]

Lucyfur, on Aug 09 2012 - 23:27, said:

PM me for some low tier platoons if you like.  I will be happy to help you out for a bit.

I highly suggest you do this, and i don't even know this guy.  But judging by his battle count at over 13k games he can give you more knowledge in a couple matches than you've got so far.  This game can be discouraging at times but keep at it, persistance will get you the reward of the big tank on the field one day

[taconight]

well i started doing destroyers, medium usa's, and im using the tier three as a generalization , in my tier 4 german light it was a nightmare, the tank itself was terrible. I learned the hardway i chose the worst beginner grind. In my tv panzer im having that +2 variance just the same as tier 3 against 5's.

What it feels like is there is no advantageous situation when i get these types of matches. So in my last match i followed our churchill in my t3 medium. He engages, i come out from behind the rocks to get into flanking position.  I hitting the guy from behind, not doing much of anything and exposing myself. do i fire a couple wet noodles and leave, if i stay , im doomed. I cannot survive 2 shots from the tank, and if help comes, or spotted by the arty its doom and boom.

[taconight]

Lucyfur, on Aug 09 2012 - 23:27, said:

PM me for some low tier platoons if you like.  I will be happy to help you out for a bit.

i messaged you and you left chat.

[POKEDSMOT]

Tier 4 lights are tought espcially German.

You got his attention then it's time to run like a bitch. Fire you marshmallows and run and hide. Or if it's on an open flank drive deeper using cover, when doing this you need to pay close attention to the minimap and take note where the enemy are don't drive too deep or stop and be prepared for a quick exit.

[Overdile_Spittle]

You may have to start to consider your crew as well.  I have not been discouraged by long grinds as I know that I am exercising my crew's skills.  If you are buying tanks with fresh/free crews they are most likely very poor in comparison to your opponents.  Once you get to tier 4 I suggest moving your existing crew into your new tanks and keep promoting them along as you continue to upgrade.  Soon you will have superior crew's compared to your opponents and more luck.

[Gath69]

You are right a stock tier III can have some trouble with tier IV and V tanks especially the T14 & churchill as they are well armored for their tier.  Each tank in a battle has worth and can contribute, which doesn't only mean kill other tanks.  Realize that in every one of these battles the other team has tier IIIs as well, go find them.  Don't over extend or over commit, play cautious and smart.  Flank when possible and don't sit there trading shots with a higher tier tank.  Spot access and act accordingly.  Good luck.  If you add me to your friends list I would platoon with you as well if we are on at the same time.  I have a couple lower tier premies that don't see much action, but can be fun.

[holby]

taconight, on Aug 09 2012 - 23:18, said:

this is what is driving me away literally.

I don't think literal means what you think it means.

[DesertCanine]

I would suggest staying away from the light tank route (the tanks that go only to the tier 5 light tanks and stop). Those tanks were generally meant for more experienced players, which is why there's a larger experience barrier to unlock them. Stay on the branch that leads down to heavies or mediums. The branch that flows down to the medium and heavy tanks have a greater progression, and is more gradual than the lights. Now that that is over with, if on the bottom of the list, I would generally either stick with the highest tank there, or try sniping, unless I'm a scout. I only flank when there's an actual opening to flank it. If the enemy tank has buddies behind him, or is in a position which allows his teamates to cover him (snipers) then I try to find sufficient cover with sight lines to allow me to engage him from relative safety. I will flank a target when I'm sure I will either have adequate protection from other tanks, or the other tanks are already engaged elsewhere. Being able to interpret the mini-map is key to this.

[taconight]

holby, on Aug 09 2012 - 23:49, said:

I don't think literal means what you think it means.

yah , i know what it means was literally didn't mean it literally

thanks again for the suggestions, some useful advice here.

[2_minutes_hate]

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[taconight]

2_minutes_hate, on Aug 10 2012 - 00:07, said:

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no one is crying, it's a pvp game, this isnt grinding 5k resilience in wow so you can just run around roflstomping people. The game is based around pvp only from the very beginning. It has nothing to do with grinding, it has to do with a issue of options when you are put against people that you have a tremendous disadvantage against. If i didn't want to get better and move forward i'd just leave, you should read the thread first before replying.