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Eddie1914 #1 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 12:59

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In every book I've read and documentary, British or American produced, I've seen, metric guns have always been referred to in millimeter size, not centimeter. Also a lot of the pages have mixed mm and cm when describing the same gun, mainly in the historical info.

I haven't checked to see if armor references have the same issue.

I changed the description and historical info on one page to reflect this. I'd like to change it also in the list of modules, but it seems that it pulls the data directly from WoT somewhere for the template, and when I previewed once change, it listed errors and blank spaces instead of the gun, etc...

Any way to fix this? Is this a valid edit? I think it makes a lot more sense to refer to the guns, etc... as they were referred to historically.

Gruntruck #2 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:02

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For some reason, the Germans were always wanting to list their guns in centimeters. Why this Teutonic exceptionism, I do not know.

DEATHRAY #3 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:16

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the germans are the only ones with their guns in cm. the russian, US and french guns are all in mm

PTwr #4 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:22

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View PostDEATHRAY, on Aug 13 2012 - 13:16, said:

the germans are the only ones with their guns in cm. the russian, US and french guns are all in mm
At least they used metric not like certain island country.

Brygin #5 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:23

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As long as units are explicitly given, what is the problem?!   It is only numbers without units that are wrong.

Leedar #6 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:23

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I believe it is common in continental European countries, especially Germanic language speaking ones (?), to use the more specific magnitudes in units. E.g. beverages are often sold in centilitres (33 cl is a standard beer in Belgium (330 ml)). Sort of like scientific number notation (3.14 x 10^5 instead of writing out 314000, etc.).

Britain and other English speaking countries tend to try to keep the variants of scales to a minimum, hence almost always referring to guns in mm regardless of calibre (or in inches at earlier times).

Edited by Leedar, Aug 13 2012 - 13:30.


ACraZYHippIE #7 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 13:24

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well it depends on what u want to call it example the german 88mm u can say 8.8 CM or 88 MM but in the battlefield just SCREAM 88 GET DOWN

Edited by ACraZYHippIE, Aug 13 2012 - 13:25.


gremlin181 #8 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 14:33

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Easier to convert than the British system 2 pounder 6 pdr 17pdr 25 pdr etc.

Jiri_Starrider #9 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 15:07

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Names of the modules are matched to what they are described as in the game files. Could be called a 105 left-handed franistat and that's what the Wiki will display. Legacy left over from it's auto update system. If we get an auto update system again it will require the same level of fidelity to whats in the game files. The semantics as to 10.5 cm vs 105 mm vs 10.5 vs 105 don't matter.


Thank you for using preview, and if you do push an edit that then throws errors, don't forget to undo it.

Gruntruck #10 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 18:20

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View PostLeedar, on Aug 13 2012 - 13:23, said:

I believe it is common in continental European countries, especially Germanic language speaking ones (?), to use the more specific magnitudes in units. E.g. beverages are often sold in centilitres (33 cl is a standard beer in Belgium (330 ml)). Sort of like scientific number notation (3.14 x 10^5 instead of writing out 314000, etc.).

Britain and other English speaking countries tend to try to keep the variants of scales to a minimum, hence almost always referring to guns in mm regardless of calibre (or in inches at earlier times).
You know, your explanation inherently makes sense.

Eddie1914 #11 Posted Aug 13 2012 - 18:38

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I didn't post any errors, went backed and checked.

Maybe was just the US and the Brits that referred to the guns that way and the Germans referred to them internally different. I'd like the change because it syncs with all of the books and documentaries I've read and seen. It isn't a big deal, but I'd like to contribute to the wiki and I thought this was an easy and useful way to start.


I wish we would go metric(USA), it is so much easier and all car parts already are among other things. The mix drives me nuts. For those not from the US, you have to have two sets of tools for everything. What I really despise is decimal inches. For example, .18 of 1".

Trifler #12 Posted Aug 14 2012 - 08:23

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I see nothing wrong with cm. The Germans used cm. 1cm is 10mm. 10,5 cm is 105mm.

Eddie1914 #13 Posted Aug 14 2012 - 18:06

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I understand that, it was just that I'm used to hearing on TV and reading, "the deadly German 88mm", etc.... in all WWII stuff.

As I said before, everything I've seen or read was always in mm, but must be a British/American naming convection if the Germans used cm internally as mentioned above, which I didn't know.
Must be kind of like we desiganted the names of the Soviet Jet Fighters. I doubt they refered to the Mig 21 as the 'Fishbed' themselves.

It isn't a big deal, but I thought it would be nice to be consistent and do some minor cleanup. Read some of the descriptions and historical info on some tanks and they refer to mm and cm for the same item on the same page. My problem was that I didn't know how to change anything in the tables, as opposed to the descriptions.

I just wanted to contribute to the wiki some. I wont do anymore.

Jiri_Starrider #14 Posted Aug 17 2012 - 19:49

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Contributing is fine, glad to have the help. That bit of data is just based on what WG refers to them as. Plenty of other stuff to do though.
Edit - And no, NATO called it a Fishbed, the Soviets called it a "balalaika" if it wasn't just called a МиГ-21.

Edited by Jiri_Starrider, Aug 17 2012 - 19:51.


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View Postgremlin181, on Aug 13 2012 - 14:33, said:

Easier to convert than the British system 2 pounder 6 pdr 17pdr 25 pdr etc.

Too right, that system has always confused me. I honestly have no idea what the weight of a, say, 90 mm shell is to compare it to a British gun, all I know is roughly what type of gun they are. 2 pounder is a light gun, 6-17pdr's are tank guns, and 25 pdr is generally a heavy gun.

rivit #16 Posted Nov 03 2012 - 23:03

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Here is a little guide for British gun to mm conversion.
2 Pounder = 40mm
6 pounder = 57mm
17 pounder = 76.2mm
25 pounder = 88mm (87.6mm)

Hope it helps.

Edited by rivit, Nov 03 2012 - 23:08.


Forvet #17 Posted Nov 04 2012 - 00:30

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Guys. It's simple, they use 8.8cm because of a massive amount of controversy with German politics IRL.
"88mm" is rediculously connected to Hitler and the Nazi Party. It's due to Nazism/Facism being illegal that you will never see a Swastika in WoT. It's just like how the squealing dog got taken out during beta. IRL Politics. From what I've heard 88mm is used IRL in pretty much every country that uses the metric system.

P101011 #18 Posted Nov 04 2012 - 03:44

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It kinda bugs me how they won't allow Hakenkruez's to be placed on tanks. I was looking forward to being able to put one of Rommel's desert insignias on my STuG III, but I guess that will never happen.

BydloKurwa #19 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 00:45

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View PostForvet, on Nov 04 2012 - 00:30, said:

Guys. It's simple, they use 8.8cm because of a massive amount of controversy with German politics IRL.
"88mm" is rediculously connected to Hitler and the Nazi Party. It's due to Nazism/Facism being illegal that you will never see a Swastika in WoT. It's just like how the squealing dog got taken out during beta. IRL Politics. From what I've heard 88mm is used IRL in pretty much every country that uses the metric system.
:Smile_trollface-3:

srmalloy #20 Posted Nov 13 2012 - 05:03

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View Postgremlin181, on Aug 13 2012 - 14:33, said:

Easier to convert than the British system 2 pounder 6 pdr 17pdr 25 pdr etc.

Blame that on a holdover from the old muzzle-loading cannon, which were enumerated by the weight of the shell they threw. At least the designation was a simple numeric range, instead of the old sequence (in descending order of throw weight): cannon royal, cannon, cannon serpentine, bastard cannon, demicannon, pedrero, culverin, basilisk, demiculverin, bastard culverin, saker, minion, falcon, falconet, serpentine, and rabinet. Although, to make it worse, the weights weren't standardized, so that if you captured an enemy cannon, you would have to measure the bore carefully to determine whether it could fire any of your shell, or if you were better off just spiking it and moving on.