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i wanna make a suggestion towards the KV-5. i was thinking the other day about a redistribution idea on bringing it back into the game with something alittle more along the side. i did some studying on its strengths and weaknesses in all round capability. as far as i know its a good candidate for a upgrade. The KV-5 has more than enough weaknesses like the machine gun turrets (top and bottom) the R2D2 turret (flat surface all round on main turret) engine and gas tank critical hit spots close together and a Huge square ammo rack chance on the back of the turret (along with both loaders). the KV-5 has more than enough weaknesses too be candidate for a gun upgrade too compinsate for its all round weakness.

i'm not saying that the 107mm Zis-6m is a bad gun, i own a KV-5 and it has proved time and time again of its effectiveness with a T7 gun
however, a better gun like the 107mm ZiS 24 from the KV-4 would help balance it out on the scales of strength and weakness.

the huge difference that would seperate the KV-5 and the KV-4 with identity and performance would be the KV-5's enhanced weakness aside from the KV-4 weaknesses.
in the hands of skilled drivers both tanks performance in a duel would render the kv-5 too have more deaths than the kv-4
even with the upgraded gun, but it would have much better capability on taking down that KV-4 than it would originally have with its original gun.

as i see it, this reasonable change is hopefully an opportunity too reinstate the KV-5 back into the store and become more value too the premium tank family in the U.S.S.R line.

"why throw out good shoe's, when you can make it more comfortable by adding Gel soles?"
Edited by RhetoricalBro, Aug 18 2012 - 09:47.

I totally agree with you and i hope we can see this happen +1

Best regards

Tiger Ace

it has strengths. its an absolute beast of a low tier bully tank. its got massive amounts of HP and side/rear armor. the gun has very good alpha and ROF with acceptable accuracy. its also reasonably quick to go in a straight line.

the weaknesses are that it has horrible penetration to tackle other heavy tanks frontally, multiple frontal weakspots and glacial turn rates.

asking to put the zis 24 takes away its biggest weakness, the fact that it cannot tackle other tier 8s frontally. once you take that away, you have to balance the tank with less HP and probably armor as well. otherwise it will win every slugging match, simply because it has more HP to outlast any other heavy tank. once you take away its HP and armor, you just have a KV4 or a lowe. there is already a lowe in the store for 12.5k, you really do not need another lowe with some slightly different attributes, but essentially the same tank.

if anything, people should be comparing the KV5 and super pershing as they both are trying to fulfill a similar role, that of a heavily armored low tier bully tank. when you actually compare those two, the stats and price in gold are far closer together than if you compare a KV5 to a lowe or T34.
Edited by Firemoth, Aug 18 2012 - 11:06.

I agree completely with Firemoth, although the KV-5 should just have a health drop (armour is based real facts) mainly because another tier 8 can still shoot it's weakspots.

A premium is supposed to perform better than a stock tank of same tier, but not as good as an upgraded tank of it's tier. Get over it, the KV5 has enough as it is.

SuperCheif, on Aug 18 2012 - 11:36, said:

*everything can shoot it's weakspots*. I had a hellcat take off 800 health simply because I couldn't go back down the hill, couldn't stop, and couldn't hit him while moving with the *acceptable accuracy* Firemoth states.

Gling24, on Aug 18 2012 - 11:58, said:

So, an extremely fast and agile TD used his strength against your weakness, and you think the tank needs a buff now???

Called the KV-5 would go from an acceptable Premium to instantly OVERPOWERED. Sorry premium tanks are NOT supposed to be top guns in their tier.  Middle of the pack.

It's like giving the IS6 a BL9 or the T54s 100mm D-54.  OVERPOWERED.

Sorry not going to happen. And if i don't see you again. Goodafternoon, Goodevening, and Goodnight!

lets take the only good thing that the KV4 has over the KV5 and give it to the KV5! Makes total sense!

Firemoth, on Aug 18 2012 - 10:32, said:

your input is valuable and helpful, however the difference between the kv-5 and the SuperP is the devs want a "watered down" version of the kv-5 bully tank. hence the weak side/back armor and lower health. with the role of the kv-5 washing away (while being replaced by the SuperP) i say it should take on a new role and new responsibility other than being a "seal clubber"

nerf the armor and the health if it will make everyone feel better. it doesnt bother me cause i still die from hordes of players anyway and the hordes of players dont mind shooting at my kv-5 cause surprisingly they love shooting at it cause of its weaknesses regardless of the recent buffs WG gave. it does not hurt for WG on having multiple gold tank variety for everyone too enjoy. maybe someone didn't wanna play a lowe or a T34 cause of there own personal opinions and they liked the KV-5 cause it has 1200 Horsepower and weigh's more than all the other gold tanks or something that amplifies there interest in it too begin with.

all i'm trying too say is the KV-5 is open for more responsibility while also saying it needs a better tool too do its New job the devs would put it in. If it was given that chance people wouldn't care regardless on the battlefield cause its still there present with its existing weaknesses for everyone too exploit. it would still be "middle of the pack" as someone would describe it.

RhetoricalBro, on Aug 18 2012 - 21:24, said:

But if we watered down the armor to give you the bigger, gun, then you'd be penned by everybody and then you'd cry that there is no armor.

Sorry can't have it both ways, otherwise you'd have the BEST tank in tier 8 and premium to boot.  No no, the reason your gun is weaker is because you have the BEST armor out of any tier 8 premium.  And i mean best all around armor.

Your gun, just learn to find the weak spots with it and go kick ass. i manage to do it with my IS-6. 327 battles, 56% win ratio 48% overall.  If i am a middling to somewhat decent player and I of all people can do that well with an IS-6, i am sure you can do well with a Kv-5 as is.

The whole reason for the "Watered down" KV5 is because premium tanks are supposed to either have heavy armor and an adequate gun, or poorly armored with an awesome gun. I forget where but the devs had this whole thing about why premium tanks have to be "Bad" in some manner or another.

TalonV, on Aug 18 2012 - 23:29, said:

you just passed the big picture!
i am not saying the tank is bad, i do know how too drive it, i know where too shoot almost any tank with it AND make money with it.
i'm trying too tell you that the armor and design of the tank IS the flaw! its has vital weaknesses located nearly in one main area of the tank that takes up 50% of entire tank size! this exploit renders the armor nearly useless making it a "free kill" funhouse.
raise or lower the armor lvl as much as you like and you will always get the same result! people say it has too much but i disagree. the devs gave it something it doesn't need. what it really needs is obvious for everyone.

i have asked and asked, over and over in every battle i jump in with my KV-5. all i hear from everyones mouth is "free kill" or "so easy" and "ty for being a KV-5" just too prove that its weak even with armor buffs.

as for bully tanking: any tank that is high tier with alot of firepower, speed and armor is considered a bully tank for lower tiers. i seriously do not see the kv-5 and the super pershing as the only "bully tanks" out there. as long as there are big tanks killing little tanks of any type vice verse? tank bullying is the whole game.
Edited by RhetoricalBro, Aug 19 2012 - 02:17.

RhetoricalBro, on Aug 19 2012 - 02:14, said:

I'm in battles with KV5s all the time; I haven't heard anything of the sort.

PresidentMattDamon, on Aug 19 2012 - 02:33, said:

thats why you have too ask, i did ask for peoples opinions. its not like you can walk up too somebody and they'll tell you all there life stories and secrets for free.

RhetoricalBro, on Aug 19 2012 - 02:14, said:

and you missed the BIGGER picture.  

PREMIUM TANK. It will NEVER be better. PERIOD.

TalonV, on Aug 19 2012 - 04:29, said:

well i see a different picture its more colorful and doesn't have PERIODS.

this effort has its own reward both ways for me.
1.for the sake of argument and intelligent conversation.
2.the possibility of the KV-5 getting a new job (from "bully tank" too "think tank")

even if what you say is true and written in stone, somebody had too make the effort too defend the KV-5 and try too revive it cause both players and the devs undermined its possible reuse completely. i'm still trying...

RhetoricalBro, on Aug 19 2012 - 05:27, said:

it is a think tank. to actually tackle other tier 8s you have to think about how to maximize the KV5's DPM gun. this usually involves tracking other heavies then driving to their side armor, learning weakspots, aggressive angling so shots bounce off the sides or even rear, aggressive flanking, supporting other tanks with much better guns.

your average KV5 scrub is not going to think about any of these, they just expect to go head to head or maybe peekaboo with the KV5 and get mauled.
Edited by Firemoth, Aug 19 2012 - 06:15.

RhetoricalBro, on Aug 19 2012 - 05:27, said:

Exactly what firemoth said buddy.  You have to think about your opponent and can't just go head to head and expect to win.  Have to think about angles, distance and armor vs gun. Unless you got a really high velocity gun, you have to get up close and personal in a side armor slug match to really have a chance.

Exact same thing happens to me facing most tier 8s in my IS6.  Again I see what you are saying, but everything you just said, you already have to do win a premium tank.

TalonV, on Aug 19 2012 - 14:57, said:

Firemoth, on Aug 19 2012 - 06:13, said:

Fine. w/e i already said all i can too try and save this tank
you got me.
case closed.
now run along and leave me too my defeat.