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KV1 drivers, who do you fear?


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LeadOut #61 Posted Sep 07 2012 - 04:44

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View PostCirran, on Aug 31 2012 - 04:00, said:

Hmmm ok, is there any hope for french or american tanks at that tier?

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View PostMXAI00D, on Sep 01 2012 - 04:12, said:

The thing i fear the most in a Kv is having bad teams, being surrounded by mediums and arti, out of that I dont fear anything else, as long as i have snipers covering my ass and a well trained arti and knowledge of every weak spot in every tank u encounter,Kv-1 can dominate the battlefield

Heh -- my best match in that tank (and most kills ever) happened when my team failed hopelessly. At some point I suddenly realised they were all dead and 7 or 8 of the other team were still alive. I still won it (and they had another KV-1), but to be fair it was partly because the survivors on the other team were so bad that they came at me one at a time and didn't use cover or armour angling.

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View Posthoom, on Aug 31 2012 - 07:21, said:

T5s with 120mm or higher pen that can fairly reliably penetrate even when angled.
M4, T49, M10, T1, Stug, Pz4, Froggies, other KV-1 (particularly the derp), Su85.
Churchill & T34 can kill with sheer dpm despite difficulty in penetrating.

At least, I kill KV-1s with several of those easy enough, personally I don't find much issue beating all of the above with my KV-1 though.
Probably I have most issues with Stugs.

This. In my T-34, one on one, I can circle around the back of the KV-1 and empty 4-5 rounds into his ass, killing him before he can shoot me more than twice.

FullScaleWar #64 Posted Sep 07 2012 - 05:15

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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the S-35 CA, the French Tier 5 TD. That thing can wipe the floor with any KV-1, with its 165 penetration. If it happens to be waiting in a bush with binoculars up then it can easily take an advancing KV-1, 1v1 no problems at all. Even without the 105mm it can win with its stock gun anyway.
The SU-85 can punt a KV-1 as well, but not as easily at the S-35.
Come to that, any Tier 5 tank destroyer can beat a KV-1 one on one, so long as they have binoculars and can strike first.

Dionater #65 Posted Sep 07 2012 - 12:12

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Honestly after so many battles in this thing i don't really fear anything, not even higher tiers.
Purely using the 122 so i know i can damage mostly anything.

But if i had to mention anything it would be another KV using the 85mm, not that i would be stupid enough to even try 1v1 one at full HP

So yeah another KV, ain't it ironic :Smile_veryhappy:

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View PostFullScaleWar, on Sep 07 2012 - 05:15, said:

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the S-35 CA, the French Tier 5 TD. That thing can wipe the floor with any KV-1, with its 165 penetration. If it happens to be waiting in a bush with binoculars up then it can easily take an advancing KV-1, 1v1 no problems at all. Even without the 105mm it can win with its stock gun anyway.
The SU-85 can punt a KV-1 as well, but not as easily at the S-35.
Come to that, any Tier 5 tank destroyer can beat a KV-1 one on one, so long as they have binoculars and can strike first.
One derp and the SC-35 is toast.  It has an open top and back so HE ruins it.  No need to fear it.

shin_getter01 #67 Posted Sep 07 2012 - 18:06

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Not if you can't see it.

Yesterday, had a Marder II and Pz4 snipe a full team of 2xKv1, 1xChurch, 1xSu85 attacking before they could get spots.  There was a scout, but he fails to get any spots before getting tracked too.

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it also depends on the quality of the KV-1 drivers, lol, some might be idiots who can't beat a tier 3, those who are more experienced wont blindly blunder into a TD trap. BTW, i have binocs on my KV-1 and the crew vision perks, so chances are, my KV-1 will see you before you see it, lol. It works best as a long range TD-ish defense tank or as a slow moving fortress

Unknown_Username #69 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 07:45

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the KV1 is unable to react to sudden changes in the battlefield, just like every slow heavy tank you're best bet is to flank or overwhelm the beast. Any t5 medium can make short work of kv1 by flanking and staying out of its talons; its way easier to stop the current KV1 than it was the old one (the 107 was just vicious in t5 matches.)

Be glad it exists, great practice for the future when you have take down Is4/Mauses/e100s etc.

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To tell you the truth, nothing, maybe arty or bad teams. Only thing that can really ruin my day, but besides that there is no single tank that I fear when driving this thing.

And, reading other posts I realize that I had forgotten about the S-35 CA, luckily there aren't a lot of those, it's the only tank I respect when going head to head, but I just try to avoid that and flank him or let my team handle/harass them.

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I have to agree with several others. The worst opposing tank I have faced is the Pz4.  The gun can easily penetrate the KV-1 armor, it shoots more rapidly than our own, and the tank is more mobile.  Everyone else I can handle, including Churchills, T1s, BDRs, etc.  A Pz4 player who doesn't suck can ruin your day.

Arrenslew #72 Posted Sep 11 2012 - 16:16

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M10 Wolverine will rip up a KV-1, as long as you let someone else spot for you.  The top gun will chew through anything shy of the KV-1's face.  Shots on the rear portion of the tracks, or from behind will turn it to swiss cheese.

RedShocktrooper #73 Posted Sep 11 2012 - 17:32

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The KV-1's counter is generally going to be brains. As a former KV-1 operator, and current T-14 user, I can tell you flat out that a KV-1 is nowhere near half as powerful as it seems at first glance if you put your mind to it.

So, as a KV-1 operator, my greatest fear was, and always shall be, people who are smarter than me, because they pose infinitely more threat to me in any vehicle than I pose to them without involving luck - and relying on luck sets you up for a bad roll.

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That can be said for any tank, to an extent. However, I don't care how good you are, a T14 is going to struggle mightily to take on a KV-1. You can try to aim for weaker armor spots all day, and it will be a toss up whether the T14's gun will do any damage.  It certainly won't be consistent.  Perhaps if you're lucky and the KV presents his rear to you, while refraining from shooting you.

Don't get me wrong. I like my T14. But you have to be realistic. Some tanks are a high threat to a KV-1, and some are not.  I can see a Tier 5 TD being a threat.  A t14 and churchill aren't, unless you're stupid.  At 'best' they are a threat because they fire fast enough to keep you tracked so that tanks that can actually penetrate, or arty, can kill you.

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1200 games in my KV-1(maybe more?), and at some point or other I have been damaged by and probably killed by every tank from tier 3-7.
In addition to the HUGE gaps in the overly vaunted armor of the KV-1, think about its strengths and weaknesses. It has simple easy to use armor. That is why we love it and hate it. It has 3 excellent gun selections, this is why you and I should fear it, since the tactics he will employ and that you can use to effectively counter him, are so varied. Universally though, he is slow. Very slow. The only tank I would absolutely hate to engage him with is the AMX 38 and AMX 40. If you are driving one of those, I imagine that you are less particular about what can kill you though. ANY other tank should utilize some common sense and make use of its strengths, even if that is limited to outflanking by maneuvering and/or speed. The KV-1 will not be outflanking except by force, he is to slow and cumbersome for any other strategy.
AND in agreement with someone else, I find killing KV-1 in PZ 3/4 nothing short of raw fun. Just untrack and keep up the attack. (Hint, do KV-1 drivers track You?)
I like my KV-1, but his reputation as The Boogie Man is one that is a real challenge to uphold when someone isn't scared or suicidal, in my experience.

k9catforce #76 Posted Sep 12 2012 - 05:03

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didn't really have a problem with them in my M10 TD...

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View Postdvang, on Sep 11 2012 - 20:05, said:

That can be said for any tank, to an extent. However, I don't care how good you are, a T14 is going to struggle mightily to take on a KV-1. You can try to aim for weaker armor spots all day, and it will be a toss up whether the T14's gun will do any damage.  It certainly won't be consistent.  Perhaps if you're lucky and the KV presents his rear to you, while refraining from shooting you.

I have, in fact, been penned from the front by Churchills, but I generally find myself chalking that up to them using gold munitions over poor angling (I've played several hundred games in a KV-1 and at one point had a 100% crew which I have since retrained for other vehicles). But I don't consider gold munitions a counter to anything, just an easy button for people with deeper wallets to make the game easier.

That said, once you get past the front armor of a KV, they're pretty easy to out-DPS - as a T-14, just try to present him with bad angles most of the time, and don't let him see your MG port, and you ought to be able to at least force him to back off.

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Ok, after several more battles, StuG's are kinda worrysome.  Have been ass planted by 2 StuGs with thier top guns, dead within 3 hits....its like WHOA!

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View PostRedShocktrooper, on Sep 12 2012 - 17:22, said:

I have, in fact, been penned from the front by Churchills, but I generally find myself chalking that up to them using gold munitions over poor angling (I've played several hundred games in a KV-1 and at one point had a 100% crew which I have since retrained for other vehicles). But I don't consider gold munitions a counter to anything, just an easy button for people with deeper wallets to make the game easier.

That said, once you get past the front armor of a KV, they're pretty easy to out-DPS - as a T-14, just try to present him with bad angles most of the time, and don't let him see your MG port, and you ought to be able to at least force him to back off.

I have been penned in my KV-1 by Churchills and T14s, and in my T14 I have penned a KV-1.  The exception does not make the rule.  The simple fact is that both Churchills and T14s will bounce the majority of their shots against a KV-1, pretty much regardless of where they shoot.  On the reverse, as a KV-1 using the 85mm or 122mm, even shooting at an angled T14/Churchill I can usually penetrate (or do damage without penetrating) pretty much anywhere. So, in a 1v1 engagement the KV-1 will take some damage, but ultimately has a significantly high probability of winning.

So, in that sense, as a KV-1 driver I do not really fear a T14 or Churchill.
While the M10 has a big gun, I can typically 1-2 shot an M10 with my KV-1. The M10 (and Stugs) are dangerous, but I wouldn't consider them the highest threat.
Indeed, the Pz4 in my experience has the best blend of armor, speed, and penetrating gun when facing the KV-1.  They move and shoot faster, with a gun that does decent damage, reloads quickly, and is accurate. So, while I am not suggesting that Pz4s bounce a lot of KV-1 shots, the important thing to note is that the KV-1 is not bouncing the Pz4 shots, and it is shooting a lot faster than the KV-1 is shooting the Pz4.

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when I'm top tier... nothing

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