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burning_phoneix #21 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:07

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As a Saudi, I've never heard of this tank before! Seeing how it preformed in Trials....damn I wish we got that tank now!

But when you say "nations that the saudis weren't on great terms with" did you mean Iraq?

Vozhd #22 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:07

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ViktorTsoi, on Sep 08 2012 - 02:17, said:

What are the exact changes from the Regular M3 to the Brazilian M3 anyone know ?Also how can a company be bankrupt if its machines are still being produced ?  And great read thank you :Smile_smile:
From the PT-BR wikipedia:
"X1A - Baseado no M3A1. Possui um novo motor Saab-Scania a diesel, suspensão modernizada, nova blindagem superior, controle de tiro e uma nova torre com canhão DEFA 90 mm. 35 veículos foram produzidos."

"X1A - Based on the M3A1, Has a new diesel powered engine made by Saab-Scania, modernized suspesion, added armor on the upper plate, new firing system and new turret with the DEFA 90mm canoon, 35 veicules produced."

We have a upgrade that's even better than that, the X1A2:
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And the Osorio was never mass produced, just 2 prototypes were given to the army in order to pay for some of Engesa spiraling debts.

allantorres #23 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:12

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Its really nice to see a tank from my country shining on chief's post

HoLkiN #24 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:25

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I'm from Brazil and I heard little about this tank  :P

nice post :Smile_great:

people should look for Cascavel and Urutu on youtube too, they are also really cool armored vehicles

TheRonmasteh #25 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:26

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Wow. Since the TAM info was released, I've seen the "Make an Osorio review!". Never expected to be such a big deal the Osorio.

Now reading it and knowing the history, IT IS a really awesome tank. It could had shined a lot. Really sad the destiny it landed on.

All that on...   4 years? Just wow...

ChickenMcFuggits #26 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 03:39

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Many folks aren't aware that most countries have some type of Cavalry. Went through AOB back in the early 90's with a Captain from Mexico and a LT from Honduras, both countries having purchased some M60A3's. Honduras to supplement their Scorpions and Mexico to replace some of their older Shermans. Jorge (Honduran LT) said the M60A3's weren't the most practical armored vehicle for his country (in his opinion) due to the terrain but apparently at the time, El Salvador had some T-54/55's that they needed to counter. Never looked into the validity but the experience did dispel the notion that only large countries kept armored forces.

Thanks for your history lesson here. Sad the tank was never produced. Would have created alot of jobs in Brasil and maybe advanced the technology overall a bit. Was stationed on Knox and one of the M1's sold to the Saudis was mine. A good tank, kept and maintained well, but its like buying a used Mustang. You're buying a good car but the previous owner has already ragged it out. They would have been better off with the Brazilian tank as long as the parts and maintenance supply line could remain a constant.

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Very nice reading Chief...

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Hey Chieftain, do you have any more involved (Hunnicut-ish) material on the Osorio? Reports on the trials would be extremely interesting. :Smile_great:

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burning_phoneix, on Sep 08 2012 - 03:07, said:

As a Saudi, I've never heard of this tank before! Seeing how it preformed in Trials....damn I wish we got that tank now!

But when you say "nations that the saudis weren't on great terms with" did you mean Iraq?

I think the Pakistani's may use this tank or a variant. When I was in Saudi I saw an APC called Fahad...I think. It's made in Saudi as well.

In other news, the Saudis are buying upgrades for their M1's, up to M1A2 SEP. Also they've ordered Leopard 2A7+'s I think.

-Dha7ran.

Edited by Conflict, Sep 08 2012 - 04:36.


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Conflict, on Sep 08 2012 - 04:35, said:

In other news, the Saudis are buying upgrades for their M1's, up to M1A2 SEP. Also they've ordered Leopard 2A7+'s I think.

-Dha7ran.
Wouldn't know why. Its not like a war will ever break out in the Middle East.......

burning_phoneix #31 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 06:23

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Conflict, on Sep 08 2012 - 04:35, said:

I think the Pakistani's may use this tank or a variant. When I was in Saudi I saw an APC called Fahad...I think. It's made in Saudi as well.

In other news, the Saudis are buying upgrades for their M1's, up to M1A2 SEP. Also they've ordered Leopard 2A7+'s I think.

-Dha7ran.

Yeah I know about the Fahd APC. I don't know what happened to the company that made it. I think they went bankrupt or something.

It has nothing to do with the Osario Fahd tank. The King of Saudi Arabia at the time was Fahd so everything was named after him.

Edited by burning_phoneix, Sep 08 2012 - 06:23.


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The Al-Fahd is an armoured fighting vehicle used by the Armed Forces of Saudi Arabia. It was the first armoured fighting vehicle developed and built in Saudi Arabia. The vehicle is produced by the Abdallah Al Faris Company for Heavy Industries, which is based in Dammam.

The Al Fahd is available in three configurations: The AF-40-8-1; an armoured personnel carrier (APC) or infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) variant, and the AF-40-8-2; an armoured fighting/reconnaissance vehicle (AFRV).  Users are Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Kuwait.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Fahd

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the Brazilians again left the bikini-filled sands of Sao Paolo for the ‘bikini? Stone her!’ sands of  Saudi Arabia,
chief I dont doubt your source of information about tank history  mostly its accurate and interesting, but about sands of Saudi Arabia it never happened bikini stoned there its just not allowed and everybody out there knows it.

thanks for the article chief, really very interesting tank history.

elQuanto #34 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 13:19

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So, can we have a special "MBT - Modern" Tier? There are a ton of cool indigenous tanks world wide that really belong in this game, India has an indigenous tank program, and so does Iran. I'd love to see how all these modern powerhouses fair against each other on the virtual battlefield.

Tiger_23 #35 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 14:14

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THX Chief *.*
also,

 

Arabian tests (1987):

-2350 km of carriageway, being 1750 km in the desert. The garrison that would operate the tank was the Arabian army. In this test also was examinated the fuel consumption, which should be limited to 2.1 km / l in desert and 3.4 km / l on the road.

-Ramps : Overcome trench 3m wide, pulled out, leaving home at 65% ramp slope , turn on the ramp side slope 30% , acceleration and braking on the plane and on ramps.

-Resistance and maintenance: Removing and putting caterpillars in 40 minutes (10 for removal, 30 for placement ), 6 hours with engine running constantly with the vehicle stopped, 6 km in march - and - aft towing a 35 ton tank per 15 km. The Osorio towed the Abrams, much heavier than 35 tons.

-Shooting : 149 shots. 82 with the target vehicle parked 4000m away , the other with moving target at 1500m distance.



Rare photo showing the vehicle crews of all contestants in Saudi Arabia, 1987. right to Left, Osório, AMX-40, Challenger and M1A1 Abrams.


Either Osório and M-1 Abrams were approved in the tests carried out, surpassing from far away AMX-40 and the Challenger. However, in the tests of shot and autonomy, the Osório surpassed the M-1 Abrams by far. In the fulfilled tests of shooting, the Osório was the only one to reach a target parked at 4.000 m. Also a test was carried out with mobile targets in distances of 1.500, 2.000 and 2.500 m, with a total of 12 shots, being 6 carried out by the tank crew and 6 for a crew of the Saudi Army. Of 12 proposed targets, the Osório put 8 right, the M-1 Abrams put 6 right and the AMX-40 and the Challenger only 1.


 

Pressure realized by the US government on Saudi Arabia, alleging that Brazil was a country that did not respect international agreements and was marketing with countries considered enemies of the Saudi monarchy, like Iraq and Libya, made the Arabs to not make the deal, making more difficult the financial situation of ENGESA.

The lack of requests for the Osório and the high investment to the development of the project (18 Million Dollars) make ENGESA to ask liquidation agreement in March of 1990, but the negotiations with Saudi Arabia were still continuing. However, With the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq and  the American political pressure, in June of 1990, the negotiations were interrupted definitely, provoking the close of the activities of ENGESA.
Osorio, Best MBT!!!



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Sun, sand, sea, and a 120mm smoothbore. Life can be good...

Well said.....very well said  :Smile_great:

isaacalmeida #37 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 15:42

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That tank is from by homeland :D

We also have modern missile SPGs

THEFOXFIRE #38 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 16:55

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The m41 upgrade:http://www.youtube.c...h?v=burhN0cj9Ck

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Hey Chief, could you a article on Chinese AFVs?

yungj1 #40 Posted Sep 08 2012 - 23:02

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the gun looks menacing.




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