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Rovert10 #1 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:05

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I am a bit excited on the American SPGs.
Artillery is one of the things that the American's did right in the war definately so I want to see how they are reflected in this game

theta0123 #2 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:06

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Yep. They had modern artillery for any job

US and british artillery where the best of the war. Outperforming the german artillery on almost any level.

Warmachine #3 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:11

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yeah,US artillery proved its worth all around the world in all battles but especialy in Africa when General George S. Patton Jr. crushed Rommel's Von Arnim's tanks with artillery baragges. very powerfull and accurate.

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Arakus #4 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:17

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What Patten against Rommel in Africa?

Rommel loosed against Monty and then get back to germany, as far as i know Rommel didnt fight against Patton in Africa, this was General von Arnim as i think.

Rovert10 #5 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:19

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View PostArakus, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:17, said:

What Patten against Rommel in Africa?

Rommel loosed against Monty and then get back to germany, as far as i know Rommel didnt fight against Patton in Africa, this was General von Arnim as i think.
well Patton was attacking the west side of the North African coast and pushed to meet with Monty coming in from the East from Egypt

Arakus #6 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:26

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Yes i know but Rommel wasnt at this front, he had to organize the retread from El Alamein and then was recalled to Germany.

But i think they fight against each other after D-Day in Normandy.

Ultramarine212 #7 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:33

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View PostArakus, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:17, said:

What Patten against Rommel in Africa?

Rommel loosed against Monty and then get back to germany, as far as i know Rommel didnt fight against Patton in Africa, this was General von Arnim as i think.

"El Guettar is a town in central Tunisia in Gafsa Governorate. It is traditionally known for its pistachio nuts. The town is located at around 34°20′14″N 8°57′10″E / 34.33722°N 8.95278°E / 34.33722; 8.95278Coordinates: 34°20′14″N 8°57′10″E / 34.33722°N 8.95278°E / 34.33722; 8.95278.

It was the site of a major World War II battle between American forces under George S. Patton, and the German Afrika Korps of Erwin Rommel in early 1943."

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/El_Guettar

No real info about the battle tho on wiki.

Tuccy #8 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:41

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In Northern Africa a new artillery concept was tried... Called Time on Target barrage.

loganov #9 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:48

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El Guettar
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the World War II battle, see Battle of El Guettar.

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Warmachine #10 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 21:55

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View Posttuccy, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:41, said:

In Northern Africa a new artillery concept was tried... Called Time on Target barrage.
interesting! but what exactly was the concept?

Rovert10 #11 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 22:01

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View PostWarmachine, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:55, said:

View Posttuccy, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:41, said:

In Northern Africa a new artillery concept was tried... Called Time on Target barrage.
interesting! but what exactly was the concept?
In world war 2 is was when all the artillery guns fire so to have all the shells land at about the exact same time.
In modern day times its when you shoot your gun at different trajectories to make them land at the same time

leviath #12 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 22:03

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View PostUltramarine212, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:33, said:

View PostArakus, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:17, said:

What Patten against Rommel in Africa?

Rommel loosed against Monty and then get back to germany, as far as i know Rommel didnt fight against Patton in Africa, this was General von Arnim as i think.

"El Guettar is a town in central Tunisia in Gafsa Governorate. It is traditionally known for its pistachio nuts. The town is located at around 34°20′14″N 8°57′10″E / 34.33722°N 8.95278°E / 34.33722; 8.95278Coordinates: 34°20′14″N 8°57′10″E / 34.33722°N 8.95278°E / 34.33722; 8.95278.

It was the site of a major World War II battle between American forces under George S. Patton, and the German Afrika Korps of Erwin Rommel in early 1943."

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/El_Guettar

No real info about the battle tho on wiki.

El Guettar was against Von Arnim as said below, and not against Rommel. Rommel was back to Germany 15 days before El Guettar.

PzGrenKdr #13 Posted Nov 04 2010 - 23:32

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View Posttheta0123, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:06, said:

Yep. They had modern artillery for any job

US and british artillery where the best of the war. Outperforming the german artillery on almost any level.
No, sovjet arty was the best(the guns, not the system), also US guns were very heavy for their performance and the CW had only the 25-pdr as good gun.

Arakus #14 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 03:32

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Have found it, look here:

Battle of El Guettar

As i thought, the German Commander was General Von Arnim.

Tzorion #15 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 08:03

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too bad they didnt implement it as superior to German and Russian SPG's.

The M7 Priest is worse than worse, had rly looked forward to it, but a 105mm on a tier 4 spg.. sigh

WilliamVale #16 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 09:43

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yep i stopped playn them and went back to the german artys  :D
Not worth the work to get em.

Baconnaise #17 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 10:21

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Nov 04 2010 - 23:32, said:

View Posttheta0123, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:06, said:

Yep. They had modern artillery for any job

US and british artillery where the best of the war. Outperforming the german artillery on almost any level.
No, sovjet arty was the best(the guns, not the system), also US guns were very heavy for their performance and the CW had only the 25-pdr as good gun.

Sorry but the russians didn't have any spgs really besides what you see in game as TD's for the most part. Soviet artillery pieces however were still functional and usually older models from world war one or about. Peasants firing thousands of horse drawn artillery pieces it's usually luck if they hit something mate.

Baconnaise #18 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 10:23

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View PostTzorion, on Nov 05 2010 - 08:03, said:

too bad they didnt implement it as superior to German and Russian SPG's.

The M7 Priest is worse than worse, had rly looked forward to it, but a 105mm on a tier 4 spg.. sigh

The american spgs are basically garbage then? This doesn't make sense. No american tds this month plus garbage spgs? Why bother playing the tree then?

PzGrenKdr #19 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 10:31

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View PostBaconnaise, on Nov 05 2010 - 10:21, said:

View PostPzGrenKdr, on Nov 04 2010 - 23:32, said:

View Posttheta0123, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:06, said:

Yep. They had modern artillery for any job

US and british artillery where the best of the war. Outperforming the german artillery on almost any level.
No, sovjet arty was the best(the guns, not the system), also US guns were very heavy for their performance and the CW had only the 25-pdr as good gun.

Sorry but the russians didn't have any spgs really besides what you see in game as TD's for the most part. Soviet artillery pieces however were still functional and usually older models from world war one or about. Peasants firing thousands of horse drawn artillery pieces it's usually luck if they hit something mate.

you don´t say something about SPGs, you said only arty. Also the 105er howitzer M2 and M4 is worser than the german leFH18M and leFH18/40.
Also you are very arrogant, sovjet arty-pool was very modern(all developted in the `30s and during war.) and have great arty-pieces.

Baconnaise #20 Posted Nov 05 2010 - 10:38

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View PostPzGrenKdr, on Nov 05 2010 - 10:31, said:

View PostBaconnaise, on Nov 05 2010 - 10:21, said:

View PostPzGrenKdr, on Nov 04 2010 - 23:32, said:

View Posttheta0123, on Nov 04 2010 - 21:06, said:

Yep. They had modern artillery for any job

US and british artillery where the best of the war. Outperforming the german artillery on almost any level.
No, sovjet arty was the best(the guns, not the system), also US guns were very heavy for their performance and the CW had only the 25-pdr as good gun.

Sorry but the russians didn't have any spgs really besides what you see in game as TD's for the most part. Soviet artillery pieces however were still functional and usually older models from world war one or about. Peasants firing thousands of horse drawn artillery pieces it's usually luck if they hit something mate.

you don´t say something about SPGs, you said only arty. Also the 105er howitzer M2 and M4 is worser than the german leFH18M and leFH18/40.
Also you are very arrogant, sovjet arty-pool was very modern(all developted in the `30s and during war.) and have great arty-pieces.

I'm not being arrogant. I didn't say anything negative about soviet artillery itself. SPG's are a different beast entirely and the soviets had little of them in the form of a TD or SPG. The difference is soviets had mostly artillery pieces from the first great war onwards which I wasn't brushing over. SPG's and TD's wise as portrayed in game the soviets had very little if any. You misunderstand most likely. Soviet arty pieces were ok but they were usually manned by uneducated conscripts which means they perform poorly overall.

EDIT: Oh and before you cry foul I'm not saying american or german were better and I'm not comparing them with what I'm saying here. That's a whole nother topic in itself.