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Hurricane939 #1 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:12

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Sorry if this question sounds weird but I read that a Tiger tank cost about $100,000 (250,000 RM) in WW2, so by calculating the inflation it would be about $1,250,000 in today's dollars.
So my question is, if we use our modern manufacturing technology to build a Tiger today, how would that affect the price ?

ZeroV #2 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:21

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It would be very expensive unless mass produced due to machining the parts necessary and labor costs.

TheRonmasteh #3 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:23

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You can ask the "White Tiger" production guys and they might tell you the bill :)

Koizumi #4 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:24

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about $1,250,000

usa1127 #5 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:31

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I would say around 2,000,000 to build it since parts are rare, and they are not being made any more. Also, keep in mind that the guy who builds it would want to make a profit, so it would probable jump strait to 3,000,000, or 2,500,000 at the least.

Soviet_Union #6 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:33

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tiger? lame, t-35 alot moar smexier

SolDust #7 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:40

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i would say if they were to be mass produced with modern manufacuring tecnuiques, the price would be mabey in high mid, to high 100ks.  the tiger lacks all the composite armor, modern computers, and well any thing modern and top line by todays standards. it would be expencive, but definately not as expencive as a modern afv.

just a guess tho :Smile_Default:

yeagerninny #8 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:44

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check out this site, they make full size reproduction Tigers!
http://www.site.ww2m...lica_Tanks.html

Lemelisk1 #9 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 02:49

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i'd guess, just for 1 fully battle ready tiger it would be atleast 2 million without mass production
i know nothing about this,lol so i could be way off

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NeoGodHobo #10 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 03:27

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your better off just buying a use Tiger or a Replica

collimatrix #11 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 06:50

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My understanding is that there was a fair amount of specialized machinery needed for tiger manufacture.  The rear half of the turret, for example, wasn't welded or cast, it was bent into shape.  Machines capable of bending steel plate, even heated steel plate that thick are rather expensive.

This is what people in the business call "significant fixed costs."

Hurricane939 #12 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 09:41

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Well, what about mass production ?
What if we wanted to mass produce like 5,000 of them ? Would our modern factories and technology help reduce the price ?

I ask this because this Tiger compared to say M1A2 Abrams is around quarter its price. So how come this simple Tiger (compared to the Abrams) is that expensive ?
Its crude armor is nothing compared to the Abrams' complicated and top secret armor, it has almost no electronics, just a simple radio, much weaker engine compared to the 1500 hp of the Abrams, smaller and much much simpler gun, poor suspension system and worse optics and fire-control system. So technically, a Dodge Viper car would be more expensive since it is much more advanced and it costs only 90k. I know Tanks should never be compared to cars, but what I'm saying is that a tank is not so much more than a car with a lot of armor and a big gun around it. So I can't see why a Tiger mass produced today can be expensive.

Just tell me what you think ? :)

collimatrix #13 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 19:05

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The German WWII tanks had a number of design features that required extensive manual labor, and I'm not sure if modern automation would help.  The jigsaw puzzle interlocking armor plates, for instance, had to be manually welded together.

I don't know if you've ever welded, but I suck at it just enough to know that welding something that thick correctly would require someone who knew what they were doing.  Are there robots that can make those welds today?  Maybe.  There are welding robots, but I've never seen them do anything that extensive or deep.

Just because it's an older, less capable design does not mean it would be cheaper or easy to make today.  You see this today in the reproduction firearm market.  Clearly, it was possible for lugers and Mauser C96s to be mass-manufactured profitably a century ago.  Everyone who's tried it since then has given up or gone bankrupt.

bullofscapa #14 Posted Sep 10 2012 - 20:17

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well, the replica Tiger I built here http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VPdr6ekO9oU Cost them around 500-600,000 USD to build. Now, that is not a real tiger, but a dang good replica! And one of the best I have ever seen. A real one would cost a fortune.

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View PostHurricane939, on Sep 10 2012 - 09:41, said:

Well, what about mass production ?
What if we wanted to mass produce like 5,000 of them ? Would our modern factories and technology help reduce the price ?

I ask this because this Tiger compared to say M1A2 Abrams is around quarter its price. So how come this simple Tiger (compared to the Abrams) is that expensive ?
Its crude armor is nothing compared to the Abrams' complicated and top secret armor, it has almost no electronics, just a simple radio, much weaker engine compared to the 1500 hp of the Abrams, smaller and much much simpler gun, poor suspension system and worse optics and fire-control system. So technically, a Dodge Viper car would be more expensive since it is much more advanced and it costs only 90k. I know Tanks should never be compared to cars, but what I'm saying is that a tank is not so much more than a car with a lot of armor and a big gun around it. So I can't see why a Tiger mass produced today can be expensive.

Just tell me what you think ? :)

Well, how authentic do you want it to be?  What is the purpose of this vehicle?

If it's a historic and accurate replica, then it doesn't need to be functional as a real tank in real life.  We can cut down the cost by using non-armor grade steel plates, simpler welding technique, lighter in construction, smaller engine, weaker suspension...etc, to cut down cost.

If you want it as a functioning battle tank, then the finished product will not look like a Tiger.  If it did, then it will cost a lot because the construction technique is not modern and doesn't take advances in robotics to cut down cost.

If it's a replica that you want, then bullofscapa should be able to provide you with pricing.

If it's a functional battle tank like the Tigers of WW2, then it will cost a lot more to produce.  The cost is not in the material or electronics, but in the outdated manufacturing technique used in the Tiger.  Based on what collimatrix had described, the jigsaw puzzle like armor plates fit for combat, and the round shape of the turret which is bent (not cast) will add significant cost to the vehicle.

Of course you can't just look at dollar value + inflation to estimate cost.  Labor cost has significantly increased.  We have stringent environmental regulations that weren't in place in the 1940s.  All these will add more to the cost.

Edited by blurr91, Sep 10 2012 - 20:54.


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View Postbullofscapa, on Sep 10 2012 - 20:17, said:

well, the replica Tiger I built here http://www.youtube.c...h?v=VPdr6ekO9oU Cost them around 500-600,000 USD to build. Now, that is not a real tiger, but a dang good replica! And one of the best I have ever seen. A real one would cost a fortune.

You have an awesome hobby/business. :Smile_great:

bullofscapa #17 Posted Sep 11 2012 - 19:25

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View Postblurr91, on Sep 10 2012 - 22:14, said:

You have an awesome hobby/business. :Smile_great:

I ment Tiger I. I did not build it. Sorry about that..... Now, if I could get some money together, I would love to build a Tiger  replica since I do WWII German reenactments.

collimatrix #18 Posted Sep 14 2012 - 22:28

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Interesting factoid:
http://books.google....vs t-34&f=false

According to Osprey's Panther vs. T-34 by Robert Forczyk, the panther took an order of magnitude more man-hours to complete than a T-34-76.

Given the cost of skilled manufacturing labor these days, I doubt you could have a part-for-part replica of one of the big cats for anything less than a small fortune.

Xlucine #19 Posted Sep 14 2012 - 22:31

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I wonder how big you can get a CNC machine?

collimatrix #20 Posted Sep 14 2012 - 22:38

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View PostXlucine, on Sep 14 2012 - 22:31, said:

I wonder how big you can get a CNC machine?

Sky's the limit if you're talking custom-made stuff.  There are limitations, but I'm not super-familiar with what they are.

I do know that I was walking through a warehouse once and I saw this enormous green circular thing.  I asked what it was, and was told it was a two thousand horsepower stepper motor.  Stepper motors are usually used in CNC devices because they rotate in discrete intervals, so I can only conclude that this was an actuator in some terrifying, sky-scraper-sized robot used for... carving barges or something.