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[GensokyoKnight]

Wow, there are so many things in Episode 9 that could only be explained by plot armor.

-Pz38t penetrating anything that Pravda had with that 37mm is quite impossible. Even if they knew weakspots (which historically the German Pak 36 crews learned of eventually) they were running at top speed.
-Everyone's accuracy was horrendous. I mean, if you have the enemy's position zoned in when you surrounded them, all you need to do is shoot the first tank that comes out of the column and block the rest of them in. Instead, we get Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy-level of incompetence.
-Strategic failure on part of Pravda. Given the awesome firepower of the KV-2, IS-2, and T-34-85, all they needed to do was put the IS-2 in front and surround them with tanks. I mean, it's 6 tanks vs nearly 10. Focus fire would easily win the battle. Also, leaving a clunky beast like the KV-2 to defend something as important as a flag tank is absolutely terrible.

*Sigh*

my pro-Russian bias is coming to bite me in the ass now. I can't even enjoy an anime whenever I see Russians with subpar performance.

[WeaponsCrate]

In other news, another WMG is that the last battle will take place in a desert environment, since all the grounds so far seem to be a shoutout to each major theatre of war.

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look at the tourment locations so far.
Saunders: Shermans open ground with forest: like normandy.
Anzio: Ittlan theamed team: rocky forested terran: like Italy.
Pravda: Russian flavored: snow.
All that's left is black forest german team and the only major european theater of world war two left is the North African Campaign, Where the tiger was deployed.

What are your opinions?

In my opinion, that Saunders-Normandy doesn't exactly match...I would have expected to see some of those infamous hedgerows if it was a shoutout to Normandy.... Maybe instead of just Normandy, France in general?

Edited by WeaponsCrate, Dec 12 2012 - 07:22.

[goff]

WeaponsCrate, on Dec 12 2012 - 07:17, said:

In other news, another WMG is that the last battle will take place in a desert environment, since all the grounds so far seem to be a shoutout to each major theatre of war.

What are your opinions?

In my opinion, that Saunders-Normandy doesn't exactly match...I would have expected to see some of those infamous hedgerows if it was a shoutout to Normandy.... Maybe instead of just Normandy, France in general?

Wow how are they going to win if numbers of Panther and Tiger tanks with their powerful long range guns gets deploy. Depend on the Tiger P ????

[The_Chieftain]

Revydemy, on Dec 12 2012 - 01:06, said:

He tends to pop in and out of this thread , i really want to ask him to see what he knows more about the Japanese Tank Philosophy

It's been discussed elsewhere. The Japanese actually had a pretty good tank doctrine, on the rare occasions they used it, but the industrial side let it down a bit. Of all the priorities that Japanese industry had to deal with, tanks were pretty low down the list, so they never got as much material or support as, say, ships, aircraft, or even mortars, given the general opposition that Japan faced.

[Shigure]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the final battle occur on the same battlefield that Miho's blackest day happened on.
Nothing like bringing bad juju down on the hero in their final match to make things extra stressful.

That said they've already done a partial desert match but not during the official championship.
I could see a North Africa themed final but not as likely as another forest or snow battlefield.

[Epicnoob1234]

GensokyoKnight, on Dec 12 2012 - 07:04, said:

Wow, there are so many things in Episode 9 that could only be explained by plot armor.

-Pz38t penetrating anything that Pravda had with that 37mm is quite impossible. Even if they knew weakspots (which historically the German Pak 36 crews learned of eventually) they were running at top speed.

Only one explaination. APCR rounds.

[goff]

Still wish the missing tank would be a Ferdinand instead of the Type 3....

[Shigure]

goff, on Dec 12 2012 - 08:06, said:

Still wish the missing tank would be a Ferdinand instead of the Type 3....

Eh you'll get over it. Frankly if it wasn't for the Type 89 i'd say their total line up was a capable all around force that just needs practice and experience. If anything i'd wish for something to replace the Type 89 with...not the Type 3.

[goff]

Shigure, on Dec 12 2012 - 08:18, said:

Eh you'll get over it. Frankly if it wasn't for the Type 89 i'd say their total line up was a capable all around force that just needs practice and experience. If anything i'd wish for something to replace the Type 89 with...not the Type 3.

If only the tracks gets damage then it will be available for the last match...

[tervel]

speaking of songs, the Black forest tea would realy have to lear this one:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WhhHi6k5Ksg

Lili Marlen was to the german soldier what Katysha was for the Russian.  They used to do song matches, blast each song aginst the other over the trenches.....

PS. here is more military version:

http://www.youtube.c...re=results_main

PS.PS  and this is the best version ever of this song - it all comes down to Marlene Dietrich

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MO0lUXnAs-U

PS.PS.PS  and here is a post war version in english again by Marlene Dietrich

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5M7kyr1jYks

Edited by tervel, Dec 12 2012 - 09:21.

[rallynemesis666]

So what about Erika ? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3SKP54mBuwE
a wekk knowed German March in WW2

[tervel]

rallynemesis666, on Dec 12 2012 - 09:21, said:

So what about Erika ? http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3SKP54mBuwE
a wekk knowed German March in WW2

Not bad, but in my Opinion Lili Marlen is better.


One song that I realy would have wanted to hear is the most tank related song ever :  Три Танкиста (Tri Tankista)

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=W9_rL2aop7Y


One more PS.   this one is for the Russian tank lovers:  

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=u6V2g9H-yIE

Edited by tervel, Dec 12 2012 - 09:37.

[LoweGear]

GensokyoKnight, on Dec 12 2012 - 07:04, said:

-Pz38t penetrating anything that Pravda had with that 37mm is quite impossible. Even if they knew weakspots (which historically the German Pak 36 crews learned of eventually) they were running at top speed.

A fact that was actually mentioned in the show just before their first kill. Note that all of the Pz38(t)'s kills have always been to the T34's turret ring, which would be one of the weaker points of the tank. And said shots were made at very close range, or (as with their last kill) from a dead stop.

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-Everyone's accuracy was horrendous.

Nothing unusual as far as this show is concerned. Look at the St. Gloriana battle beforehand. They're at least being consistent about everyone being sucky shots.

[Daigensui]

GensokyoKnight, on Dec 12 2012 - 07:04, said:

-Everyone's accuracy was horrendous.

Given that the T-34's view was not that great, when combined with the weather (you should have seen the part where you look at the T-34s firing at you), it's actually pretty logical that you're bound to miss unless close.

[Lert]

Not to mention that those T-34-85's all fired while going at full tilt over rough terrain. Start up WoT and try for yourself what accuracy you get.

[tankcrunch]

Lert, on Dec 12 2012 - 12:04, said:

Not to mention that those T-34-85's all fired while going at full tilt over rough terrain. Start up WoT and try for yourself what accuracy you get.

lol

[ScrewySqrl]

Epicnoob1234, on Dec 12 2012 - 07:51, said:

Only one explaination. APCR rounds.

not necessarily.  the 3,7 cm KwK 38 (t) L/47 penetrates 41-42mm at 100 meters. only 45mm of armor on the hull of the T-34, and they were a lot closer than 100m.

[ScrewySqrl]

my thoughts, since we KNOW Oarai is moving on:

1) T-34 is knocked out, Type 89 is only tracked, Oarai wins
2) Simultaneous knockout, however, Oarai has only lost 4 tanks while Pravda has lost 8 tanks.  Oarai wins on material

[Lert]

Well, whichever way they win, I'm seriously curious to how they're going to top the closeness and cliffhangerness of this battle in their last battle against Maho's team.

[PanzerGrenadier1]

tervel, on Dec 12 2012 - 09:15, said:

speaking of songs, the Black forest tea would realy have to lear this one:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=WhhHi6k5Ksg

Lili Marlen was to the german soldier what Katysha was for the Russian.  They used to do song matches, blast each song aginst the other over the trenches.....

PS. here is more military version:

http://www.youtube.c...re=results_main

PS.PS  and this is the best version ever of this song - it all comes down to Marlene Dietrich

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=MO0lUXnAs-U

PS.PS.PS  and here is a post war version in english again by Marlene Dietrich

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=5M7kyr1jYks

the Lili Marleen came from this: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BnaF4_LTovk My personal favorite complitaion of music. It's the last song... makes sense. :D If you gys have the time... listen to it. Also, realize that album is strictly NON-political. Most of them are Hunters' songs.

Edited by PanzerGrenadier1, Dec 12 2012 - 14:28.