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The_Chieftain #1 Posted Oct 17 2012 - 23:53

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Museum Website: http://www.armytankmuseum.com.au/

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The Royal Australian Armoured Corps Memorial and Tank Museum is a bit of an oddity in the tank museum world. Most tank musea are organisations which may be government operated, and sometimes Army operated. Puckapunyal’s museum, however, is a ‘paragraph-and-line’ unit of the Army. As a result, their operations are a little different.
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TheM0untaineer #2 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 00:13

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As always, an awesome read! Does WG pay you to have that much fun? If so, I want your job!!

Grumpy_Turtle #3 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 00:26

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I love reading your museum reviews, this one was great, as always.  :Smile_Default:
Sucks to see those tanks rusting away outside...


Oh, and I agree with NavySnipers. Your job would be awesome :Smile-tongue:

Edited by Rorys6, Oct 18 2012 - 00:28.


godofdun #4 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 00:47

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One more reason to visit Australia one day!  :Smile_great:

Mermaid_Witch #5 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 00:48

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Quantumkiwi #6 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 01:02

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BTW, whats the last picture of?

VenteRuma #7 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 01:02

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Great review as always....love hearing about some of the museums around the world!!!  Here would be an idea that would help some of the more 'sparesly funded' tanking museums.....a "Themed Premium", especially if it's a premium already in the game.  Give it a permanent camo job that adjusts for environment, fully elited tank, and a portion of the proceeds going to help out the museum.  Maybe for this museum, a Matilda Black Prince, with the camo, a special emblem, etc....and make say 14.99US or something like that.  Personally I think I would do that....how about some of my fellow tankers???  But make it something unique....available only for a short time, and worth having!

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Pukapunyal is the name of a hill in the area (possibly) the translation is vague at least. Something of note you have to understand that the Aboriginies think differently to those who arrived in the continent after them. Coupled with miscommunication and we can get some very funny examples;

Goodna (Queensland) - as the story goes an Aboriginie was asked what a place was named when a bullock train stopped between Brisbane and Ipswich in Queensland. He answered Goodna because the thought the white man was asking what the bullock manure was named he was pointing at.

Wallaroo (South Australia) - Similar story to Goodna except the name means Wallaby urine.

Prior to white settlement, Australia was made up of nearly 250 unassociated tribes, most with their own language and way of doing things.


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That knocks three of the four off my checklist. I still have to see the one in Canberra...

@The Chieftan; "the one in Canberra" is not a museum it's a memorial, the Australian War Memorial (AWM) is the holiest of holies for returned servicemen (veterans). Treat it like Arlington.


BTW the Brisbane Museum, yes a museum not a memorial, has the only surviving A7V "Mephisto".

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View PostVenteRuma, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:02, said:

Great review as always....love hearing about some of the museums around the world!!!  Here would be an idea that would help some of the more 'sparesly funded' tanking museums.....a "Themed Premium", especially if it's a premium already in the game.  Give it a permanent camo job that adjusts for environment, fully elited tank, and a portion of the proceeds going to help out the museum.  Maybe for this museum, a Matilda Black Prince, with the camo, a special emblem, etc....and make say 14.99US or something like that.  Personally I think I would do that....how about some of my fellow tankers???  But make it something unique....available only for a short time, and worth having!

No need to do it to the Matilda Black Prince when the ACI Sentinel and ACIV Thunderbolt are premium tanks part of the British tech tree.

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Loved the article.  Read every word, looked at every pic, which leads me to...

Second to last pic when you open the spoiler tag, basically the main article, with all the lovely pictures.

What exactly is on the front of that tank?  Approximately where a bow machine gun might be?

I can't be the only person who sees that and wonders if it's some sort of Australian humor, because it looks to me, for all the world, like a bit of human male anatomy...

Just sayin'...

The_Chieftain #11 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 01:31

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View PostFryaDuck, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:07, said:

@The Chieftan; "the one in Canberra" is not a museum it's a memorial, the Australian War Memorial (AWM) is the holiest of holies for returned servicemen (veterans). Treat it like Arlington.

"The One in Canberra" was the Sentinel Tank that they have there. To my knowledge, four Sentinels still exist: Pucka, Bovvie, California and AWM.

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Does look abit like an Aussie "Bonking Rod".

Just a guess mind, but it looks like they were trying to armour the water-cooling jacket of the Vickers machine gun. The result is hilarious and undoubtedly why the tank never entered service.

Edited by Chopa, Oct 18 2012 - 01:35.


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Thanks for the great review.

As a local ( i live within 2hrs drive) i will attempt to make the trip the next weekday I have free.

I still have to see the museum in Keswick, Adelaide as well.
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The Canberra War Memorial is well worth the visit as well, though not as Tank focussed.

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View PostChopa, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:31, said:

Just a guess mind, but it looks like they were trying to armour the water-cooling jacket of the Vickers machine gun.

That would be correct.

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View PostFryaDuck, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:07, said:

@The Chieftan; "the one in Canberra" is not a museum it's a memorial, the Australian War Memorial (AWM) is the holiest of holies for returned servicemen (veterans). Treat it like Arlington.

It is both, the memorial being above ground and the (original) museum underneath it.

View PostMini_Bolo, on Oct 18 2012 - 00:48, said:

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Beat you to it:

http://forum.worldof...40#entry2075153

View PostChopa, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:31, said:

Just a guess mind, but it looks like they were trying to armour the water-cooling jacket of the Vickers machine gun. The result is hilarious and undoubtedly why the tank never entered service.

The AC did not enter service because
  • Australia could not get sufficient numbers of the Cadillac engines
  • The Americans had begun mass-producing the roughly equivalent M4
  • The Pacific Theatre was generally not conducive to tank operations


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Puckapunyal in the local Aboriginal dialect means "Valley of the Winds"

At least that's what I was told...
The guy who told me may have been "taking the piss" as we say in Australia

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Upon doing a little research Ive found that in addition to "Valley of the Winds" Puckapunyal can also be translated as "death to the eagle", "the outer barbarians", "the middle hill" or "place of exile"

sigh... who even knows any more?

Might as well give it a modern translation
I nominate "Sad place of rusting tanks"

Edited by Tobruk, Oct 18 2012 - 06:50.


Chopa #17 Posted Oct 18 2012 - 03:45

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"The AC did not enter service because
  • Australia could not get sufficient numbers of the Cadillac engines
  • The Americans had begun mass-producing the roughly equivalent M4
  • The Pacific Theatre was generally not conducive to tank operations"
  • The hull machine gun mount looked like a huge, limp, hampton and no self-respecting digger would be seen dead in it.


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View PostChopa, on Oct 18 2012 - 03:45, said:

"The AC did not enter service because
  • Australia could not get sufficient numbers of the Cadillac engines
  • The Americans had begun mass-producing the roughly equivalent M4
  • The Pacific Theatre was generally not conducive to tank operations"
  • The hull machine gun mount looked like a huge, limp, hampton and no self-respecting digger would be seen dead in it.

No need to be facetious, the bow gun you are fixated on with was removed from the later models of the tank.

First point I should make is that the Sentinel DID enter service. 65 were produced and went into service with the Australian Army where they were used for training and kept in reserve for home defence (ie the designation Sentinel) As for the Cadillac's, a new more powerful engine was designed based around 4 de Havilland Gipsy Major motors built locally by Holden.

The Sentinel was (in my opinion) superior to the M4 and any Brit tank produced prior to 1944. The AC's entire hull was cast in 1 piece (the first tank in the world to do so) meaning no weak points due to welding. The Sentinel had a lower profile and bouncier lines than the M4. Lastly at a time when the Brits and US tank designers were stubbornly sticking to peashooters the AC III and AC IV variants were being fitted with 25pdr howitzer and 17pdr AT guns respectively

The reason that the AC program was terminated was that as the war progressed and Australia's focus shifted from North Africa to the Pacific, tank production was no longer a priority. What was a priority however was improving Australia's transport infrastructure in order to move troops and supplies around the country. The manufacturers of the Sentinel (NSW Government Railways) canceled production of AC's in order to focus on building urgently needed train locomotives. Had Australia found itself in imminent threat of japanese invasion, no doubt production of the AC's would have recommenced.

Edited by Tobruk, Oct 18 2012 - 08:22.


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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Oct 18 2012 - 01:31, said:

"The One in Canberra" was the Sentinel Tank that they have there. To my knowledge, four Sentinels still exist: Pucka, Bovvie, California and AWM.

There are two in Canberra, one ACI and the only ACIII (QF 25pr) both aren't at the Memorial, they are at located at the Treloar Technology Centre.

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i have lived in australia in all my life i wonder why i haven't heard of it





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