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AMX 40 Vs. Valentine: How do I kill it?


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IndygoEEI #1 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 16:56

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Next patch, I will be seeing more Valentines in my AMX 40 and...

I HATE THAT BLOODY TANK!

Most AMX 40 "PRO" players know how to kill thier own tank,
but we have no clue how to kill this tank.  Val drivers do
however definately have clue about to kill us, but the weak
spots are still capable of bouncing the current LL Val.

I have had many stalemates with this tank and I hate that tank.
It usually comes down to someone else killing one us because
we are both so slow, we can't flank each other.

SO HOW DO I KILL THIS THING?!

PS.  Yes I know gold rounds are coming, but I still need to
know just in case I meet one and prevent gold bouncing...

Edited by IndygoEEI, Oct 28 2012 - 19:03.


Spanisharmada #2 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 16:59

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So the AMX 40 has a very heavy gun, but it is no t to precise. There is a flat part on the front dont even try to flanka s it has huge turret traverse and hull traverse, so shoot that flat part and dont let it flank you as I have flanked it before and my Val can pen back of 40 with standard ammo

Jiri_Starrider #3 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 17:00

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How to kill a Valentine in an AMX 40... Hmmm... ponder ponder ponder.

Suffer through the grind and come back and kill them in your ELC AMX.....

xthetenth #4 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 17:00

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The giant ribbed engine cover on the back is probably the best bet. The frontal hull plate that's vertical to the ground is pretty thin too.

prince_machiavelli #5 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 17:01

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I think i would struggle more to kill an AMX 40 while driving the valentine...

Scolopax #6 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 17:02

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If the armor setup is the same as the Valentine LL, then the engine deck area is pretty weak (only 30mm). The gun mantle itself isn't really the strongest thing either.  However, from my experiences in playing the Val LL, an Amx-40 did not have to aim for those if he had the 75mm gun, and could pen you in most places.

Spiley_Craw #7 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 17:48

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HE works fine on Vals too.
Never had too much trouble with them in my Duck, Matildas are the awful thing to fight.
-Kle.

anna_tankgirl #8 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 18:05

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Actually the Valentine LL is only oddly deflect plated well the armor is good but has weak points the main issue is hitting the Val is not fast but CAN maneuver hard and well its not a bad thing and accelerates faster than the AMX 40 the gun is the bad thing it fires faster but has a hard time hurting such a tank. My tactic is usually to light it up and ask for arty support while evading and using cover.

The Matilda LL is my AMX 40 killed its better armored, more deflect plated and has a good gun and still is good at maneuvering in a fight it can kill the AMX 40 pretty well every time, all things equal.

razielkaine #9 Posted Oct 21 2012 - 21:02

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the real life valentine had the same armour front and back, even the ribbed engine cover. In point of fact with the angle and same armour the valentine should be harder to kill from the rear, but this being wot means it probably wont be the same...

Psykmoe #10 Posted Oct 27 2012 - 23:09

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The British Valentine has like half the side armor of the lend lease one, so if you get the drop on him you'll probably at least get some early damage in.

Xlucine #11 Posted Oct 27 2012 - 23:42

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razielkaine, on Oct 21 2012 - 21:02, said:

the real life valentine had the same armour front and back, even the ribbed engine cover. In point of fact with the angle and same armour the valentine should be harder to kill from the rear, but this being wot means it probably wont be the same...

Are you sure the engine cover was solid 60mm thick? AFAIK it was thinner than the front but sloped, however WoT disagrees with sloped armour so all-round protection IRL does not translate unless every plate is vertical. At least it isn't as bad after normalisation changes.

Psykmoe, on Oct 27 2012 - 23:09, said:

The British Valentine has like half the side armor of the lend lease one, so if you get the drop on him you'll probably at least get some early damage in.

Nope, they're identical

Psykmoe #12 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:57

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Xlucine, on Oct 27 2012 - 23:42, said:

Nope, they're identical
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Edited by Psykmoe, Oct 28 2012 - 16:58.


Scolopax #13 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 17:20

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The Valentine LL seems to be superior to the stock British Valentine, but should be without doubt inferior to an elited one.  This is generally how premium vehicles should be.

IndygoEEI #14 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 19:06

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Scolopax, on Oct 28 2012 - 17:20, said:

The Valentine LL seems to be superior to the stock British Valentine, but should be without doubt inferior to an elited one.  This is generally how premium vehicles should be.

Well, there's more varients of the Val to build on, so we'll wait and see
if that's true...

Xlucine #15 Posted Oct 29 2012 - 00:40

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View PostPsykmoe, on Oct 28 2012 - 16:57, said:

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View PostXlucine, on Oct 27 2012 - 23:37, said:

The armour values given in game shouldn't be given too much attention, they can be rather random (wasn't the T34 HT said to have 76mm frontal turret armour at one point?). According to gamemodels3d the actual armour hitboxes are pretty much identical for premium and standard


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I got rid of my AMX 40 ASAP, but I have a B2 and have fought Valentines repeatedly in it. For me, the best place to shoot is the gun. Really, right at the gun. Either there's no mantlet or the turret face is just poorly armored, but in my low-pen B2, that's where I have the most luck.

Edited by Tishler, Oct 29 2012 - 02:46.


Scolopax #17 Posted Oct 29 2012 - 02:50

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Most tanks tend to take damage if you shoot directly at the base of the gun.  Not something I'd recommend doing on a normal basis, but it will sometimes help you out in a tough spot.

trowzerkoff #18 Posted Oct 31 2012 - 19:23

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As a Valentine fan, there are two common tanks that I worry about: the AMX 40 and Lee.  In both instances the Val's gun is invariably going to bounce shots before dying.  The AMX is the better of the two at bouncing Val rounds - to an extent that makes it almost invulnerable, however the AMX gun [75mm] is pretty inaccurate at medium+ ranges.  

To kill a Val with an AMX the trick is to close the range, knock off a track and attack from the sides and rear - the closer the better.

nicodeimous #19 Posted Oct 31 2012 - 19:29

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AMX 40 hands down vs the present Val.  When 8.1 comes out it will be the Val hands down over the AMX 40.  A skilled player flanks the val and shoots the vents on the upper deck, pen's every time btw.  With the duckie its the seam line on the front and side hull.  Lee's just aim high on the hull near the driver hatch [or track em and flank em].

Edited by nicodeimous, Oct 31 2012 - 19:29.