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KilljoyCutter #21 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 02:51

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Do we really expect WG to keep US tanks in their actual designation/role?  They made the T30 into a TD and used a couple of largely-made-up variants of the T25 tank to fill in the TD line.

GoldMountain #22 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 02:57

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armando30, on Oct 28 2012 - 02:07, said:

I have to disagree

you can't call it a medium tank when the army has it classified as an heavy tank
look at this image

this is only one version of this experimental heavy tank
this version has the oscillating turret but the army tried at least 3 diferent turrets on this tank, the turret from the T54E2 is one of the turrets they tried on this tank

Legiondude, on Oct 28 2012 - 02:30, said:

Except in this video, it's very clearly listed with a medium tank icon

Don't confuse the T54 medium tank project with the T54 Heavy tank project. Or the Russian T-54...

T54 heavy tank project is a oscillating turret on an M103 chassis (In the picture your provided)
The T54E2 medium tank project was a new turret design on an M48 Patton hull
Coming in as a tier 9 medium tank
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This was related to the T95 medium tank project. (We are getting tier T95E2 as a tier 10 medium)
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Edited by GoldMountain, Oct 28 2012 - 03:12.


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Somewhere, Maxwell Taylor is laughing himself sick. This stuff is awesome, no lie.

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I remember seeing the t54e2 in that video as a tier 9 and it's obvious the t69 and t57 have been modeled, but were is it said we'll get a t95e2 as a tier 10 med? I know it's been speculated, and I'll be thrilled if it's true, but I'd love to see a referance

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Legiondude, on Oct 28 2012 - 02:30, said:

Except in this video, it's very clearly listed with a medium tank icon

it doesn't change the fact that the US army classified that tank as an heavy tank they can't call it a medium
they put a plate in front of the tank in the Aberdeen proving grounds that says "Heavy Tank T54 1951"

there's a book written by R.P. Hunnicutt that also calls the T54 a medium tank but that book is about MBT's
it's called "Patton: A History Of The American Main Battle Tank Vol. 1"
in the same book the author also talked about another tank that just like the T54 was a modified version of the chassis from the T48 medium tank
that other tank was called T77 and the author said that both the hull and turret armor were lighter compared to the T48 armor, but the T77 was part of the heavy tank development program and designed by the same company that designed the T54 (Rheem Manufacturing company)
the major upgrade was a 120mm gun on a oscillating turret equiped with autoloader

armando30 #26 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:13

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DBrimstone, on Oct 28 2012 - 04:23, said:

I remember seeing the t54e2 in that video as a tier 9 and it's obvious the t69 and t57 have been modeled, but were is it said we'll get a t95e2 as a tier 10 med? I know it's been speculated, and I'll be thrilled if it's true, but I'd love to see a referance

how will they organize these 3 tanks into the same line?
the T69 is a light tank
some call the T54E2 a medium tank but the US army classified it as a heavy tank
the T57 is a heavy tank

some interesting facts about the T57:
equiped with a 120mm Gun (the same as the M103) Automatic w/ 8 round magazine
in theory the ROF is 30 rounds/minute
gun traverse speed is 24 degrees/second (360 degrees in 15 seconds)
gun elevation: +15 to -8 degrees
the armor of the turret is also the same as the M103 turret
the hull has the same armor as the M103 (the chassis must be the same)


but I would like more the T58 with a 155mm Gun T180 Automatic w/ 6 round magazine and ROF of 23 rounds/minute

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armando30, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:13, said:

how will they organize these 3 tanks into the same line?
the T69 is a light tank
some call the T54E2 a medium tank but the US army classified it as a heavy tank
the T57 is a heavy tank


Maybe they don't form a single tech line. These were just some leaked supertest tanks. Doesn't mean that there are not other tanks we don't know about. Also, on the RU server there is a thread speculating on the new American tech tree. That thread shoes three lines, medium, light, and heavy. The light line comes off the Chaffee and ends at tier 8. The medium and heavy lines come off the E8, but there is some talk that they could also come off the M7 or Jumbo.

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armando30, on Oct 28 2012 - 04:42, said:

it doesn't change the fact that the US army classified that tank as an heavy tank they can't call it a medium

They made the T30 into a TD, and two somewhat faked-up variants of the T25 into TDs as well.

GoldMountain #29 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:59

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DBrimstone, on Oct 28 2012 - 04:23, said:

I remember seeing the t54e2 in that video as a tier 9 and it's obvious the t69 and t57 have been modeled, but were is it said we'll get a t95e2 as a tier 10 med? I know it's been speculated, and I'll be thrilled if it's true, but I'd love to see a referance
Leaked imagery. The Image shows the T95E2 sporting the M68 105mm cannon
From that we can speculate as much that the tank is a probably candidate for a tier 10 medium tank

Edited by GoldMountain, Oct 28 2012 - 17:00.


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MntRunner, on Oct 28 2012 - 13:18, said:

Maybe they don't form a single tech line. These were just some leaked supertest tanks. Doesn't mean that there are not other tanks we don't know about. Also, on the RU server there is a thread speculating on the new American tech tree. That thread shoes three lines, medium, light, and heavy. The light line comes off the Chaffee and ends at tier 8. The medium and heavy lines come off the E8, but there is some talk that they could also come off the M7 or Jumbo.

if they are supertest tanks that could mean that they might be test tanks for more premium
I guess that if they are non-premium they could be added like the JagdPanther II as an aditional research route from the previous tier to the next or end te line with them
the fact that the 3 of them are from the 3 diferent types of tanks (Light, Medium and Heavy) might mean that in the future they will complete 3 new lines for the US tech tree
--the rumored Tier 8 light line
--and a new Medium and the so expected 2nd Heavy line

KilljoyCutter, on Oct 28 2012 - 15:36, said:

They made the T30 into a TD, and two somewhat faked-up variants of the T25 into TDs as well.

I understand what they did with the T30, afterall that armor isn't enough to fight directly against Tier 9 and 10
the 155mm Gun is great but the 120mm Gun isn't at the same level as theother Tier 9 and 10 Guns, that's why the didn't use that gun on the M103 but isntead converted a 120mm AA Gun (like how the germans did with the 88)

about the T25 I agree but only on the T25/2 because that is a T25 Medium tank prototype with a diferent turret and gun compared with the ones they actually equiped that prototype with, but the T25 AT (the onewitout turret) was an actual design for a assault tank
I've seen they original mock-up and it's the same and it's one of the many designs of that type (a tank without turret with a powerfull gun mounted on it)
maybe because they didn't have enough data about the specs of that design they chose to use some of the specs from the T25 medium tank
I've read in a book that the T25 AT (they didn't really named it like that and only said it was a mock-up) was based in a modified chassis of the T23 prototype and equiped with a 90mm AA gun, later they used that concept to build the T25 and T26 prototypes (what they used was the specs for the armor thikness and the gun used in the mock-up)

Edited by armando30, Nov 02 2012 - 06:00.


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The U.S. Army classified tanks by cannon caliber more than weight. Anything with a cannon larger than 90MM was a heavy tank until the M60 Patton medium mounted the M68 105MM in late 1958. The M26 Pershing in the game now was classified as a heavy tank by the U.S. during World War II, but as a medium tank afterward, because it was not a real heavy tank and it had a 90MM, not a larger cannon.

Odds are, no one will get tier IX or higher premium tanks. Odds are, since the U.S. already has tier VIII medium and tier VIII heavy premium tanks, the only thing the U.S. will get soon in a higher tier premium is some sort of tier VI and/or tier VIII premium tank destroyer. The odds of the U.S. getting another tier VIII or higher premium medium or heavy, before the French and British lines are fleshed out more, are very slim.

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GoldMountain, on Oct 28 2012 - 16:59, said:

Leaked imagery. The Image shows the T95E2 sporting the M68 105mm cannon
From that we can speculate as much that the tank is a probably candidate for a tier 10 medium tank
This isn't me being a butt but I want to see it.... Because I calculated it out and 66% of all my games have been in American tanks. I would love to see some concrete evidence of the next tech line that'll be released. I also wished I knew what tank they'd branch off of so I can get the exp now in preparation for when they're finally released

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VirgilHilts, on Oct 28 2012 - 18:34, said:

The U.S. Army classified tanks by cannon caliber more than weight. Anything with a cannon larger than 90MM was a heavy tank until the M60 Patton medium mounted the M68 105MM in late 1958. The M26 Pershing in the game now was classified as a heavy tank by the U.S. during World War II, but as a medium tank afterward, because it was not a real heavy tank and it had a 90MM, not a larger cannon.

Odds are, no one will get tier IX or higher premium tanks. Odds are, since the U.S. already has tier VIII medium and tier VIII heavy premium tanks, the only thing the U.S. will get soon in a higher tier premium is some sort of tier VI and/or tier VIII premium tank destroyer. The odds of the U.S. getting another tier VIII or higher premium medium or heavy, before the French and British lines are fleshed out more, are very slim.

T1 Heavy tank (76mm)
M6 Heavy Tank (90mm)
T14 Heavy Tank (75mm) (Actually more of an infantry tank)
Theory Busted

All British tanks in game up to tier 7 are either Infantry tanks (Medium/Heavy line) or Cruiser tanks (Light/Medium line).
A completely different classification of tanks compared to the usual fare of Medium/Heavy tanks
Infantry tanks are Slow, Heavily armoured and have small pew pew guns compared to their tonnage
Cruiser tanks are Weakly armoured, very mobile and adequately armed for their tonnage. (A cross between Light and Medium tanks)

DBrimstone, on Oct 28 2012 - 19:44, said:

This isn't me being a butt but I want to see it.... Because I calculated it out and 66% of all my games have been in American tanks. I would love to see some concrete evidence of the next tech line that'll be released. I also wished I knew what tank they'd branch off of so I can get the exp now in preparation for when they're finally released

nothing official as of yet.
The_Chieftain is getting pretty annoyed about everything getting leaked. He said in the T110 Armour thread that he was the one that was supposed to reveal the new US tanks (Of which there are ALLOT)

It has been hinted that the new medium line will start off from the M7 medium tank.

Edited by GoldMountain, Oct 28 2012 - 19:58.


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Well then... Any one knows if these tanks gonna be released any soon.

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The categorizing of American light/med/heavy tanks wasn't until the cold war. 76mm was for lights, 90mm was for med's, 105's were for heavies. The m60 was an MBT, which is when this classification was dropped.

And if they come off the m7 I'll be thrilled. I've already got one and it's a blast to play. "Grinding" that won't be a problem... I've also got a t20 that I play for fun sometimes. I'm just hoping it's not off the easy 8. I'd rather not have to buy another tank when I've got 2 med's aside from my Patton that I play just because I enjoy them. I'm temped to scrap my t25/2 and buy a half price t29 to train a second american heavy crew too but it'd be extra awesome if the new heavy line came off of that as well

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VirgilHilts, on Oct 28 2012 - 18:34, said:

The U.S. Army classified tanks by cannon caliber more than weight. Anything with a cannon larger than 90MM was a heavy tank until the M60 Patton medium mounted the M68 105MM in late 1958. The M26 Pershing in the game now was classified as a heavy tank by the U.S. during World War II, but as a medium tank afterward, because it was not a real heavy tank and it had a 90MM, not a larger cannon.

GoldMountain, on Oct 28 2012 - 19:53, said:

T1 Heavy tank (76mm)
M6 Heavy Tank (90mm)
T14 Heavy Tank (75mm) (Actually more of an infantry tank)
Theory Busted

You're talking about two different time periods.  The "heavy gun tank, medium gun tank, light gun tank" nomenclature came into use more in the postwar period.

(I keep finding more reasons to keep the Cold War out of WoT.)

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View PostGoldMountain, on Oct 28 2012 - 19:53, said:

T1 Heavy tank (76mm)
M6 Heavy Tank (90mm)
T14 Heavy Tank (75mm) (Actually more of an infantry tank)
Theory Busted


Yeah. You missed the part where I stated the difference in U.S. tank classifications pre-1946 and post-1946. Again, they classified them by weight pre-1946, and by cannon post-1946. If it was significantly heavier than an M4 Sherman pre-1946, it was a heavy tank, regardless of the cannon caliber.

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View PostVirgilHilts, on Oct 28 2012 - 18:34, said:


The U.S. Army classified tanks by cannon caliber more than weight. Anything with a cannon larger than 90MM was a heavy tank until the M60 Patton medium mounted the M68 105MM in late 1958. The M26 Pershing in the game now was classified as a heavy tank by the U.S. during World War II, but as a medium tank afterward, because it was not a real heavy tank and it had a 90MM, not a larger cannon.
I don't think you are right because most of the T20 series prototypes (from at least T20 to T26, that's why they were called the T20 series) were equiped with a 76mm gun and even the first Pershing prototypes only had a 76mm gun
also the T1 HT was originally equiped with a 75mm and I can't remember if any prototype was equiped with the 76mm but I do know that they isntalled a 90mm gun on one of he T1 HT prototypes and later that became the model to also equip the M6 with a 90mm Gun, originally it used a 76mm Gun

View PostVirgilHilts, on Oct 28 2012 - 18:34, said:

Odds are, no one will get tier IX or higher premium tanks. Odds are, since the U.S. already has tier VIII medium and tier VIII heavy premium tanks, the only thing the U.S. will get soon in a higher tier premium is some sort of tier VI and/or tier VIII premium tank destroyer. The odds of the U.S. getting another tier VIII or higher premium medium or heavy, before the French and British lines are fleshed out more, are very slim.

I think you are forgetting the most important facts that might make them add new US, Soviet or German tanks before expanding the French and British lines
---the devs don't have a large selection of "good enough" tanks to the french tech tree
---although the british have moretanks that could also be included to their tech tree, like some tanks built by the other countries of the Commonwealth (the australians and canadians had some good tanks designed by them, like the Ram and Ram II......I forgot the name of the australian tank but it was ether a version of an american or british tank modified by them), the truth is that there isn't many possible SPGs or TDs for the british tech tree (at least when it comes to SPGs and TDs from WWII)

one think I know is that one of the directors said that after the british line one of their priorities was adding a Japanese tech tree

we need to wait and see what will happen

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View Postarmando30, on Oct 29 2012 - 05:48, said:

I don't think you are right because most of the T20 series prototypes (from at least T20 to T26, that's why they were called the T20 series) were equiped with a 76mm gun and even the first Pershing prototypes only had a 76mm gun
also the T1 HT was originally equiped with a 75mm and I can't remember if any prototype was equiped with the 76mm but I do know that they isntalled a 90mm gun on one of he T1 HT prototypes and later that became the model to also equip the M6 with a 90mm Gun, originally it used a 76mm Gun

We covered this -- classifying tanks by their gun size was a postwar practice.





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