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Toasted_Rofls #1 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:05

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EDIT: Testing has shown this is a situational thing! If you have the option to unlock a tank from a previous or same tier tank, you can instead unlock it in reverse, using EXP from the tank that comes after it instead of the tank that comes before it. While this is not quite as good as what I had original thought it was, it is still something with the potential to be useful.

Yeah, seriously. That means that if you have a tank unlocked that is lead to by more than one tank, you can unlock the tanks that come before it from it. That sounds kind of confusing, doesn't it? Well, that's o.k, I've played enough solo pub games to be prepared for the average player, which means I have prepared pictures instead of those difficult things called "words".

Yes, I did this on the test server. Yes, you can do this on the main server. Why would you not be able to? Anyhow, let's have a look:

Stage 1: As you can see here, we have the tier 6 American death machine, otherwise known as the "Easy 8". From this picture, you can see that two different tanks lead into it, the M4 Sherman, and the M7 Medium Tank. I researched my Easy 8 from the M4 Sherman, and have never played or unlocked the M7. As you can see, it list the required EXP to unlock it.

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Stage 2: Now, I click the research button. If you are lost at this point, you are probably a 45% player and need to go back to the lower tiers instead of being the top tank on my team every other game. I cropped this screenshot in such a way that you can see I am still on the Easy 8 research page.

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Stage 3: Enjoy your new medium tank that thinks its a light tank. It's like the T-127, but in reverse!

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FAQ:

Q: Halp, this was 2 hard 4 me!!!???!!!!!1111! Wat shood I do?

A: Someone of your intellect needs to stick to arty and other tanks that don't actually require thinking to use.

Q: Why did you show us this tank in particular?

A: Because it was convenient, and because there is a possibility that the new American tank line will branch off from from the M7 Medium Tank, and I do not want people who own the Easy 8 or are going to own the Easy 8 to have to suffer through the M5 Stuart to get the M7.

Q: Can you research modules in reverse?

A: I wish. Once you unlock a tank, it acts as if you had unlocked from the tank that came before it, regardless of the fact you unlocked it with the tank that came after it.

Q: Why is the T57 so blatantly OP?

A: Because the devs give absolutely zero fu... Er, uh, OP tier 2 American tanks? Those don't exist! *Looks at T18 with worry*

Q: Is it true the new American tanks will have drum loaders?

A: How does that relate to backwards research? Now that I think about it, how did that last question relate to it either? All I know is that the devs are basically going to have to completely and totally ignore real life for them to not have autoloaders. Which, judging by the T25/2, I would not put past them at all.

Hopefully, this revelation will save you from grinding to tanks in a route that takes longer then needed. You can work backwards through various tech trees to unlock them from the top down, should you choose to do so!

Edited by Toasted_Rofls, Oct 28 2012 - 05:37.


Riceygringo #2 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:10

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Toasted_Rofls, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:05, said:

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Wow, finally, a benefit of the stupid layout

Edited by Riceygringo, Oct 28 2012 - 05:11.


XOIIO #3 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:13

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This is news?

hunting_tabby #4 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:13

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I don't get it. Can you post a narrated video on Youtube?

Toasted_Rofls #5 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:15

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XOIIO, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:13, said:

This is news?

Have you played a pub game before? How much are you expecting of the average player?

hunting_tabby, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:13, said:

I don't get it. Can you post a narrated video on Youtube?

If you buy me a tier 8 premium tank, I will do it.

AurenNorizawa #6 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:15

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XOIIO, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:13, said:

This is news?
It's news to me, been looking at the M7 and thought, hmmm, a tier 5, that's like an E8. Me like

EDIT: Looks at above post. D:
Duz dat meen Imm avrerage?

Red_Raven_168 #7 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:15

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hunting_tabby, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:13, said:

I don't get it. Can you post a narrated video on Youtube?
the tank was opened from the left - by a previous tank --- the M5 stuart

XOIIO #8 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:18

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Toasted_Rofls, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:15, said:

Have you played a pub game before? How much are you expecting of the average player?



If you buy me a tier 8 premium tank, I will do it.

You know, you are right, I shouldn't expect any resemblance of though from a pubbie.

Urdnot_Wrex #9 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:21

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That's actually pretty damn useful to know. I was eyeing up the M7 and was going through the LT tree. I'm still gonna go through it because I want the Chaffee but now I won't have to spend any excess time grinding in the M5.

Commander_Jag #10 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:22

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Toasted_Rofls, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:05, said:

Q: Halp, this was 2 hard 4 me!!!???!!!!!1111! Wat shood I do?

A: Someone of your intellect needs to stick to arty and other tanks that don't actually require thinking to use.


Q: Why is the T57 so blatantly OP?

A: Because the devs give absolutely zero fu... Er, uh, OP tier 2 American tanks? Those don't exist! *Looks at T18 with worry*


Way to hate on arty...

KarateF22 #11 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:24

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If this is true this is huge news. This opens up many new options, granting two way bridges to many tanks.... as in example, previously you could only go from the T28 Proto to the T28, now you can do the reverse as well.

Toasted_Rofls #12 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:25

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Commander_Jag, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:22, said:

Way to hate on arty...

The T57 is totally OP, seriously, is that even debatable?

Red_Raven_168 #13 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:27

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KarateF22, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:24, said:

If this is true this is huge news.
it doesn't work

proof from test server

only works if the the tank was opened on the left by a previous tank

in this case the M5 Stuart

BTW went back and bought an E8 just to make certain that not having the tank could cause the issue --- no change

Edited by Red_Raven_168, Oct 28 2012 - 05:30.


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I have been awake for far too long. Fuck trying to think.

Edited by Coordinator, Oct 28 2012 - 05:29.


Ventex #15 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:33

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I logged in to check, I don't have the M5 unlocked and I can't research the M7 from the E8.

Toasted_Rofls #16 Posted Oct 28 2012 - 05:35

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Hold on, further testing has shown that you need the option to unlock the tank from a tank that comes directly before it or from the same tier if you want to use this feature. I apologize for the false information, and will update the OP now.

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coooooool
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Toasted_Rofls, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:35, said:

Hold on, further testing has shown that you need the option to unlock the tank from a tank that comes directly before it or from the same tier if you want to use this feature. I apologize for the false information, and will update the OP now.
FWIW going backwards in the tree would seem to be a reasonable option . . . maybe if you suggested it in the correct forum . . .

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Red_Raven_168, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:37, said:

FWIW going backwards in the tree would seem to be a reasonable option . . . maybe if you suggested it in the correct forum . . .

You can still do it, kind of. It works as long as one of your same or lower tier tanks as the option to research a tank, you can instead spend EXP from the tank that comes after it. It still has the potentially to be useful.

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Toasted_Rofls, on Oct 28 2012 - 05:25, said:

The T57 is totally OP, seriously, is that even debatable?

Wasn't really the T57 comment that got me, it was more the comment on how arty requires NO skill to play....which is absolutely false.

While it may seem easy to play, artillery's playstyle takes some getting used to, and it does take some skill to be a good arty player. Granted, there are those sh*t-heads that just shoot at low HP targets. Those guys just make all the decent arty players have a bad rep.

A good artillery player does need and does use skill to hit the right targets at the right time.


*Edit: But on topic, I think it's weird that you can research backwards....almost seems like an accident waiting to happen. I could see someone looking at the previous tank and accidentally researching it and wasting valuable XP.

Edited by Commander_Jag, Oct 28 2012 - 05:41.