T32 vs T29 Win-rate difference
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:39
Over all my tanks, I am 1220 efficiency and 52% win rate while my efficiency in heavies is 1391 and 53% win rate, which is brought down by my KV-5 that I used to "learn" the game and finance my low-tier modules/equipment. After not knowing anything about efficiency or caring about win rates for my first 2k battles, I am trying to be more sensitive to things I am doing right/wrong and the 17% difference in win-rate has me concerned
Is this just a matter of low sample size or do I need to adjust my play-style more from the other heavies I have driven? Is it a matter of seeing higher tier matches and not being able to pen as well since the gun is the same, while I am being penned more by higher tier guns? Are there any specific tricks for playing the T32 that are different from other heavies? I try to stay hull down when possible and aim for weak spots when I can. I am used to being the guy in front pushing the issue and leading the charge, can the T32 not perform this role?
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:43
Your now at the bottom of some really deadly tanks.
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:52
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:53
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:53
Don't get me wrong, I loved my T32 and I do think about buying it back again as it could make some good money but I think it suffers more than others from the tier change hangover. I'm sure it goes without saying but being upfront leading the charge is where I used my T32 the most, but not if there are more than a couple tier 9's or higher. In those higher tiers play it the same as you would have in the T29, hang back a little and support the big boys. Your gun is pretty accurate and has a decent rate of fire, look to put the hurt on flankers and TD's while protecting your heavier tanks. Thats how I played mine and how I got a 61% win rate with her, hull down it's tha bomb..
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:56
The thing to remember, though, is that the T32's turret front is one of the thickest slabs of armor in the game. It also has great gun depression. ALWAYS find spots where you can show nothing but that turret front to the enemy. Use hills and your fantastic gun depression to give enemies fits. And realize that everything you see in matches will pen your hull, so be careful when trying to lead the charge.
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 16:57
Posted Oct 28 2012 - 17:48
Since I was power grinding to get the T34 and T30 when they were tier IX and tier X, my T32 had a low win rate, around 46%. I kept all my U.S. heavy tanks from the M6 up. So I play my T32 now, a lot, since I've found I despise tier IX and tier X, because stupid people buy their way up and play like fools. I find myself playing my T32 a lot lately, and not only increasing my win rate substantially (from 46% to almost 51% in less than 100 games), but also enjoying it, and having really big battles, such as 3K and 4K damage wins. Even many losses are 3K damage battles. My T32 may still have my highest average experience earning rate, I know it was a ahead by a large margin even when it was winning 44-46% of its battles.
You work your ass off to play the T32 well, especially in the tough games. It makes you a better player once you learn it.
Posted Oct 29 2012 - 14:33
For some reason I've been doing really well with the T32 (114 games, 75% winrate, 2050 damage, 2260 eff, 1113 avg xp) and I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing differently. Probably the biggest thing is that I've really been working hard on not taking damage while still dishing it out. Doing anything to hide your weak hull is a good idea. But also knowing when to back off or retreat or just stay out of the line of fire. I rarely lead the charge with this tank (unless I need to or the terrain lets me do so without exposing my hull too much). I also try to avoid direct confrontation with bigger or even equal tanks.
Yesterday I had a game on Fjords where I was down to <200 HP with an E-75 barreling down on me. I ended up driving over a cliff (tracking myself in the process) to get out of the way. He ignored me in favor of more important targets and I lived. I then repositioned so I could shoot the side of the E-75 and later ended up doing more damage to two other tanks before finally getting killed. It was enough for our team to pull off the win though. If I had just stood to fight the E-75 I would have died very quickly and would have done a lot less damage that game.
Posted Oct 29 2012 - 17:13
If the tank had a 225ish pen gun optional on it i think it would be fine btw, like the is3s gun.
Edited by Tibalt, Oct 29 2012 - 21:38.
Posted Oct 29 2012 - 17:17
Solo pubbing I hit about 63% in the T29 while I can only solo about 58% in the T32. The advantages to the T32 are your mobility and hull down. If you are not hull down then you are doing it wrong because that is the only thing you really have going for you.
Posted Oct 29 2012 - 17:29
Posted Nov 05 2012 - 03:48
Posted Nov 05 2012 - 14:05
T32, No. It is outgunned by it's American Brother the T34 Easily. Which In my Opinion, the T34 has No business being a T8 Tank to begin with.
A Fight over 500 meters between a T32 and T34, The T34 will win hands down every time. The 105 is subpar, however effective up close when you have a place to aim at, over a distance it does nothing unless the tank being shot is under tier 8.
Was Happy when I finally got up to my M103, however that tank too is burdened by a severely underpowered gun until it aquires the 120mm Cannon.
Posted Nov 05 2012 - 19:48
The 105mm is sub-par for the matches it gets into. The only advantage it has is rate of fire. Sure, it pens well enough if you hit weak areas, but most of what you're fighting can take you out in three or four shots tops if they hit anything other than your front turret. If you're tracked, you're finished. I've even been two-shotted in the T32 a few times, and that's with the thick turret. However, you can forget about ever two-shotting anything in the T32 unless it's a light tank or arty. You need multiple penetrating shots to have any hope of taking out anything else. The T32 is outrageously outgunned by almost everything it faces in it's tier and above, even by some mediums.
People say "hull-down" all the time and that's fine, but you can't stay hull-down forever. You have to move. But staying hull-down is the only thing that the T32 has going for it.
You know it's a bad sign when arty pretty much ignores you when there's other heavies around. It's almost as though you don't have to be arty safe in the T32. On the other hand, the T29 gets artied to death!
The worst part is that, for some reason, you end up in an extraordinarily high number of losing matches in the thing. I don't get it. Since day one, without fail, every single time the T32 is played results in a long series of losses, punctuated by an occasional win. This sort of consistency doesn't happen with any other tank I play. It has by far the lowest win rate of any tank in my garage with 200 battles or more, languishing at 41% (this is actually up from 34%). The next worst was 43% in the M6. Everything else is 50% or better, including an M10 sitting on 56% after 700 battles. Despite having an 80% hit rate after 237 battles, I've managed to destroy only 133 tanks, averaging 947 pts of damage, but I've been smoked 162 times. It has the lowest death/kill ratio of any tank in my garage.
I'm having less success in the T32 than I did in the M3 Lee, which was fast-tracked and never elited, was never fully equipped, and who's crew wasn't even at 100% (the T32 crew was at 100% and had vents, rammer, and spall liner from the start). And that was a grind not remembered with any fondness whatsoever.
What's the point?
Posted Nov 05 2012 - 21:12
The key to the T32 is play it like a medium and flank people. It has execellent mobility (not raw speed) and very low profile. Abuse that inpenetrable mantlet in combination with gun depression.
The 105mm gun is ignored by most people when you flank them. You're in an IS-8 or Tiger II, facing against M103. A T32 sneaks up on the side and hit you with 105mm gun. Turn and deal with it and expose yourself to 120mm fire? Or grin and bare it while trying to deal with the M103?
Edited by blurr91, Nov 05 2012 - 21:13.
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