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Haides #1 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:35

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The IS-7 is a greatly underwhelming tank now and is rapidly being pushed out of clan wars (and hell, less in pubs too) in favor of T110s and even in some cases mediums (I remember someone from SGLE telling me that they swapped out their IS-7s for E-50M's). Even the E-100, a long-hated tier 10 has begun to be used more than the IS-7.*

The problems with the IS-7 is that its mobility is vastly overrated, for one. It is a decent sprinter, reaching 35 km/h on flat terrain (still less than the T110) but as soon as it turns, it bleeds most of its speed, and quickly, and despite having a turning value of 28, its turning speed is closer to that of the E-100. Its acceleration is mediocre too, having driven the E-100 and IS-7 both fairly extensively, the IS-7, despite being around half the tonnage with only 150 less horse power, only very slightly out-accels the E-100.

This is due to the absolutely horrid terrain resistance this tank has. Seriously, you move from grass to road and suddenly you can hit 40-44 km/h and turn somewhat faster. It's amazingly bad.

The gun is kind of a second problem, in a way. The horrible aimtime, the highest in the tier (3.4 seconds) plus the low accuracy (4.0, same as the 15.0 cm), poor gun depression which means that even small bumps will disallow you from bringing your gun to bear, and low DPM (roughly 150~ lower than the E-100, which also sports much higher alpha, and around 300 less than the T110, which has way better everything else other than alpha) which, even despite the high penetration (260mm), means the tank is lacking as a damage projector.

The armor is somewhat of a third, too. Due to the shape, it cannot angle like other tanks so turning corners presents a challenge and opportunity for the enemy to exploit, which makes it a bit less versatile in general. And even so, the UFP head on is still weaker than the E-100's and possibly the Maus' UFP and the LFP is a bit weaker than both of the previous tanks as well, due to the angle nerf put on it last patch. The turret is a nice solid piece of equipment though.

The hitpoint pool presents a problem as well. The T110 has 50 more, the AMX 50b has 50 less, and both of these are faster heavy tanks with solid frontal armor (minus the 50B's turret) and they both have better guns. The IS-4 has a better gun and quite a bit more health (350) and the E-100 and Maus present no comparison. The Mediums all barely have any less, the biggest difference being the batchat with around 500 less, the smallest the E-50, with 100 less. Thus, the IS-7 cannot be used as a damage soaker in Clan Wars and can only reliably bounce gold rounds with the frontal turret armor, which means less endurance.

What I propose to fix the IS-7 and give it a role in CW is this:
  • Increase the speed limit to its historical value of 60 KM/H
  • Decrease the terrain resistance by quite a lot. It should be able to get up and go well, turn well, and hit the speed limit on roads with some ease. It should hit around 50 on terrain and be actually able to turn in most situations (aside from, of course, the swampy area on lakesville for example, where every tanks' mobility dies) without bleeding most of its speed, and it should be able to turn well.
And that is it. This allows the IS-7 to be the reliable knife fighter it needs to be, allow it to lead medium wolfpacks if so desired, make it good for quick relocation and response. It'll be the medium/heavy it's somewhat mislabeled as at the moment.

Keeping the other negatives would balance this out. It's still got bad accuracy, aimtime, and DPM, making it a poor damage projector, it's still got low health, and it's still got good pub armor/okayish CW armor.

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*except for African clans, which no one in their right mind uses as any sort of creditential source

Edited by Haides, Nov 05 2012 - 20:41.


Dieago #2 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:40

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I keep choosing the wrong frikking tank lines to go up. Can anyone from a SUCCESSFUL clan confirm or deny that this tank is actually going to the shtter?

ForcestormX #3 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:42

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I agree with you - my IS-7's been collecting dust for some time.

Ogopogo #4 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:43

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View PostJerryDVP, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:40, said:

I keep choosing the wrong frikking tank lines to go up.

How to select a tank line is rather quite simple.

The most recent one.


Welcome to power creep, where you are say at the front, but pushed to the back as time goes on.

Edited by Ogopogo, Nov 05 2012 - 20:44.


WarriorOsprey #5 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:44

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View PostJerryDVP, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:40, said:

I keep choosing the wrong frikking tank lines to go up. Can anyone from a SUCCESSFUL clan confirm or deny that this tank is actually going to the shtter?

It was thrown out the window in Clan Wars ages ago because the T110E5 does everything it does but better in every conceivable way.

lostwingman #6 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:46

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View PostJerryDVP, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:40, said:

I keep choosing the wrong frikking tank lines to go up. Can anyone from a SUCCESSFUL clan confirm or deny that this tank is actually going to the shtter?
No one uses IS-7s except for Africa clans and B-teams that don't have enough people.
The T110E5 has been the tank to use for the last few months.

View PostWarriorOsprey, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:44, said:

It was thrown out the window in Clan Wars ages ago because the T110E5 does everything it does but better in every conceivable way.

The mobility is what kills it. T110E5 flexes much better.

Edited by lostwingman, Nov 05 2012 - 20:47.


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You don't need to be in a successful clan to know that it doesn't have much of a place in CW. We use IS4's for defensive roles when an E5/TD isn't available, it's pretty much outclassed in CW with its weak armor and gold rounds flying everywhere, not to mention terrible aim time and ground resistance.

Back in beta.....whole different story lol

FaustianQ #8 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:50

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PBKAC never uses them. We point and laugh at those who do. That is all.

JamesDean #9 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:52

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I don't have an IS7, but after briefly playing it on the test server mostly I found I couldn't stand the aim time, but I can't complain about the damage or penetration.

Improve it's aim time and terrain passability and see what happens.

BarrooM #10 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:53

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I use IS7s quite a bit. They bounce a lot of shells still and are very viable in CW. 50Ms over IS7s? Crazy talk.

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View PostHaides, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:35, said:

The IS-7 is a greatly underwhelming tank now and is rapidly being pushed out of clan wars (and hell, less in pubs too) in favor of T110s and even in some cases mediums (I remember someone from SGLE telling me that they swapped out their IS-7s for E-50M's). Even the E-100, a long-hated tier 10 has begun to be used more than the IS-7.*

The problems with the IS-7 is that its mobility is vastly overrated, for one. It is a decent sprinter, reaching 35 km/h on flat terrain (still less than the T110) but as soon as it turns, it bleeds most of its speed, and quickly, and despite having a turning value of 28, its turning speed is closer to that of the E-100. Its acceleration is mediocre too, having driven the E-100 and IS-7 both fairly extensively, the IS-7, despite being around half the tonnage with only 150 less horse power, only very slightly out-accels the E-100.

This is due to the absolutely horrid terrain resistance this tank has. Seriously, you move from grass to road and suddenly you can hit 40-44 km/h and turn somewhat faster. It's amazingly bad.

The gun is kind of a second problem, in a way. The horrible aimtime, the highest in the tier (3.4 seconds) plus the low accuracy (4.0, same as the 15.0 cm), poor gun depression which means that even small bumps will disallow you from bringing your gun to bear, and low DPM (roughly 150~ lower than the E-100, which also sports much higher alpha, and around 300 less than the T110, which has way better everything else other than alpha) which, even despite the high penetration (260mm), means the tank is lacking as a damage projector.

The armor is somewhat of a third, too. Due to the shape, it cannot angle like other tanks so turning corners presents a challenge and opportunity for the enemy to exploit, which makes it a bit less versatile in general. And even so, the UFP head on is still weaker than the E-100's and possibly the Maus' UFP and the LFP is a bit weaker than both of the previous tanks as well, due to the angle nerf put on it last patch. The turret is a nice solid piece of equipment though.

The hitpoint pool presents a problem as well. The T110 has 50 more, the AMX 50b has 50 less, and both of these are faster heavy tanks with solid frontal armor (minus the 50B's turret) and they both have better guns. The IS-4 has a better gun and quite a bit more health (350) and the E-100 and Maus present no comparison. The Mediums all barely have any less, the biggest difference being the batchat with around 500 less, the smallest the E-50, with 100 less. Thus, the IS-7 cannot be used as a damage soaker in Clan Wars and can only reliably bounce gold rounds with the frontal turret armor, which means less endurance.

What I propose to fix the IS-7 and give it a role in CW is this:
  • Increase the speed limit to its historical value of 60 KM/H
  • Decrease the terrain resistance by quite a lot. It should be able to get up and go well, turn well, and hit the speed limit on roads with some ease. It should hit around 50 on terrain and be actually able to turn in most situations (aside from, of course, the swampy area on lakesville for example, where every tanks' mobility dies) without bleeding most of its speed, and it should be able to turn well.
And that is it. This allows the IS-7 to be the reliable knife fighter it needs to be, allow it to lead medium wolfpacks if so desired, make it good for quick relocation and response. It'll be the medium/heavy it's somewhat mislabeled as at the moment.

Keeping the other negatives would balance this out. It's still got bad accuracy, aimtime, and DPM, making it a poor damage projector, it's still got low health, and it's still got good pub armor/okayish CW armor.

Thoughts? Counter-arguments? Autographs?




*except for African clans, which no one in their right mind uses as any sort of creditential source

this frikkin sucks-just going up that and to batchat..............

BarrooM #12 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:53

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View PostFaustianQ, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:50, said:

PBKAC never uses them. We point and laugh at those who do. That is all.

Point and laugh all you want :>

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View PostFaustianQ, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:50, said:

PBKAC never uses them. We point and laugh at those who do. That is all.
I know and it hurts.

Ogopogo #14 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:56

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Anyone else remember the days where back in beta when there were only two tier 10 heavies, or a little while later 3?

You had a choice between

Armor-Maus
Speed-IS-7
Firepower-T30

Then came the T110 and AMX50b and it all went downhill from there.

Dieago #15 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 20:57

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I think I've figured out who's using sarcasm and who isn't so fk this tank and fk the IS8 too. I'm not gonna bother since it's crap and the is8 takes more brainpower than I have to play. Fk it all.

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View PostForcestormX, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:42, said:

I agree with you - my IS-7's been collecting dust for some time.

I changed my IS-4 for an IS-7. Bad move: both suck.

BarrooM #17 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 21:14

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View PostJerryDVP, on Nov 05 2012 - 20:57, said:

I think I've figured out who's using sarcasm and who isn't so fk this tank and fk the IS8 too. I'm not gonna bother since it's crap and the is8 takes more brainpower than I have to play. Fk it all.

I'm being 100% sincere. We use IS7s in CW, with great success. Of course, I am blessed with some of the best IS7 drivers in the game, but hey...


3 of the top 5 Is7 drivers by win% are/were Forge.


And the IS8 is amazing...

I love mine.

alexsyl007 #18 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 21:23

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Buy a IS7 or not, been sitting all researched for a while now,


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_Rosco #19 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 21:46

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We seem to be slowly replacing them with other tanks too, too bad considering it was going to be my next tank and ive wanted one since beta.

Panzerstecher #20 Posted Nov 05 2012 - 21:53

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I sold that Piece of Sh*t...sold the Piece of Sh*t IS4 as well.  Both are fuggin turds, and money hogs, and far worse then any other tier 10.  I dumped all of my tier 10's because I was sick of losing 100-350K per night trying to clear off the X2.  They are no better then the T30 now.





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