Jump to content


Pz4 vs KV-1


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
27 replies to this topic

Legiondude #21 Posted Nov 06 2012 - 19:46

    Major

  • Players
  • 13658 battles
  • 17,239
  • [ELVIS] ELVIS
  • Member since:
    08-22-2011

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 19:35, said:

Protip

learn2play
I'm not sure what's funnier, your OP saying a medium should be on the competitive level of a heavy or you telling me L2P when I have 6k battles over you.

Quote

I've hit targets at 300m reliably using a derp, and some further shots sometimes.
As have I, in my Derp Jumbo. Record holder in my recent memory is near 700m with my KV-2 nuking an M7 Priest

Now if you want to talk the M1A1, if you ever looked at a M4 recently you'd realize the Panzer IV Ausf. H with 100% fires it's L/48 at 15 RPM to the M1A1's 14.29 RPM on the Sherman(Again, at 100% crew).

Damage? Fine, it hits harder when it hits, however the Panzer IV still has more DPM


We can keep going with this, how the M4 has this so and so stat that makes it better in this condition, or the Panzer IV has this so and so stat that makes it better under this condition, this hidden stat gives either tank this advantage in the right spot etc. Something you're going to have to realize is regardless of whatever argument you come up with next, the Panzer IV is balanced with the other medium tanks with it's strengths and it's flaws. So if it's balanced as a medium tank, it has no place being compared to a heavy tank. So you have 2 options here:

1. Sell it and move on to better tanks, many Pz4 veterans did in protest and now they refuse to speak of it or regard the change with bitter rage. This won't change what it is now and no begging for the L/70 back is going to help.
2. Embrace it for what it is and keep on tanking, like I did

Edited by Legiondude, Nov 06 2012 - 20:04.


awookie #22 Posted Nov 06 2012 - 20:00

    First lieutenant

  • Players
  • 1780 battles
  • 663
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View PostLegiondude, on Nov 06 2012 - 19:46, said:

As have I, in my Derp Jumbo

Then we can agree that .43 accuracy is sufficent for medium to long range combat, especially with a well trained crew.  While it is not as accurate as .39, it has several upsides that compensates.

MaxMike #23 Posted Nov 06 2012 - 20:05

    Major

  • Players
  • 16349 battles
  • 3,433
  • Member since:
    06-12-2011

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 19:21, said:

And yet the USSR vehicles don't need gold rounds.

What does that tell you?  If the KV-1 can herpaderp all day long, or use the 85mm and reliably fight against its own tier and above, doesn't that seem fishy?

Meanwhile the advice you're giving to Pz4 drivers is to buy gold rounds.

The Pz4 was a great vehicle before the nerf.  The L70 made it perfect for the sniping role, but now the M4 seems better suited to that (especially with better depression and elevation).

The PzIV is different now, get over it.

You can listen or you can continue to bury your head in the sand, suffer, and whine about it for all I care.

awookie #24 Posted Nov 06 2012 - 20:11

    First lieutenant

  • Players
  • 1780 battles
  • 663
  • Member since:
    05-30-2011

View PostMaxMike, on Nov 06 2012 - 20:05, said:

The PzIV is different now, get over it.

You can listen or you can continue to bury your head in the sand, suffer, and whine about it for all I care.

Wow, someone's cranky.

Not up for debating, huh?  Did you get sniped by the Pz4 pre nerf or something?

FYI, I've played both the Pz4 and the KV.  Pre nerf, I still preferred the KV more.  Im not whining per se, Im making this thread because the "historical accuracy" and "Game balance" WG is doing is plain silly.  They're nerfing vehicles based on win rates, which is ludicrous.

Now if you'd prefer the "Suck it up" response whenever WG nerfs everything, Ill be sure to post that if you actually disagree with one of WG's buffs/nerfs.

Hint : At one point, you probably will.

Edited by awookie, Nov 06 2012 - 20:25.


KiwiHaqi #25 Posted Nov 07 2012 - 03:52

    Sergeant

  • Players
  • 10583 battles
  • 218
  • [SNOO] SNOO
  • Member since:
    12-31-2011

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 19:35, said:




Protip

learn2play

I've hit targets at 300m reliably using a derp, and some further shots sometimes.  Luck?  Partly.  Get 100% crew, aim, and buy vents.
.39 vs .43.

http://www.thehiredg...012/10/omg.jpeg

.4 accuracy, but MORE penetration and gun depression?  And it shoots slightly faster and does slightly more dmg?  Definetly not fitted as a sniper.

And lets do the gold rounds thing too.

Pz4 L48 gets 158 mm pen with gold.
M4 Sherman gets 177mm of pen with gold, but it costs 2 gold more.



I guess you forgot about the period of time which was sometime after the KV nerf, but before the normalized MM.  That period of hell where T6 tanks went into T9 battles?
oh god,please dont bring up that period of MM,i almost ragequitted then,grinding out 5 tier 6s which was over 1/2 my tanks and my main grinds,i bet the E-75 drivers loved that time

Haggis_of_Doom #26 Posted Nov 07 2012 - 23:10

    Captain

  • Players
  • 16656 battles
  • 1,746
  • [IOC] IOC
  • Member since:
    12-31-2011

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 18:51, said:

Using the 122mm, it can still 1 shot or troll tanks on the same tier, or 2 tiers up.  That's a net win for the KV.

The Pz4 has a better derp. It can now 1 shot or troll tanks on the same tier, or 2 tiers up as a medium tank.

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 18:51, said:

For the Pz4, its a net loss.  Loses the L70 which puts it on even ground with the KV.  Keeps the same MM.

Did not...? The whole point of the removal of the L70 related to how the Pz4 stopped seeing Tier 8 tanks. A side effect of this removal was that they could now buff the L70 for the other tanks that used it.

KV has more armor and firepower (only with conventional AP guns); Pz4 has more mobility. That's the standard trade off for heavy vs medium tanks. If you consider this an imbalance, then you have much more to whine about.

Crex #27 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 21:30

    Staff sergeant

  • Players
  • 5393 battles
  • 395
  • [SOU] SOU
  • Member since:
    09-21-2011

View Postawookie, on Nov 06 2012 - 18:51, said:

The Pz4 derp can be seen as better due to a higher ROF, but its mounted on a much more frail platform. The 85mm is a bit less accurate and slower firing, but the higher damage + the KVs strong armor puts the P4 at a disadvantage.

The PZ4 is about thirty thousand times more maneuverable than the KV.  That's the tradeoff -- speed for armor.

Also, the 105mm cannon on the PZ4 can shred a careless KV to pieces.  There's nothing wrong with the German tank.

Sir_Texas_Sir #28 Posted Nov 10 2012 - 10:17

    First lieutenant

  • Beta Testers
  • 16811 battles
  • 871
  • [-SSS-] -SSS-
  • Member since:
    01-04-2011
I used the derp gun a few times on the new Pz4 and switched out of it.  I'll keep my derping to the M4.  I still can take down KV1 at a distance with the top gun and if you get close to them, just put in the benny hill song and do a little dance with them.  They can't out turn there turrent with you circleing them.  JUst watch when they fire and cross path with that gun than.  A KV1 or 2 in open is a dead tank if brawling with a med.  Best action for them is to back there rear up against something.