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The_Chieftain #1 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 03:21

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A FRENCH ASSESSMENT OF THE PANTHER TANK

Professional historians and military history buffs alike often describe the German Panther tank as the best German tank, and perhaps the best tank overall, of the second world war.  It had a powerful and accurate high-velocity 75mm gun, its frontal armor was almost invulnerable to most allied anti-tank weapons, and it had a powerful engine, broad tracks and a suspension system that gave it high speed, excellent cross-country capability and a smooth ride.  What more could a tanker want?

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mrasianman2 #2 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 03:43

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Excellent read.

Did the French note anything about how fragile the Panther's ammo racks were? It seems in game I can get an ammo rack on one every other shot. Also, I did read somewhere that side shots usually set of the ammo too.

NavySnipers #3 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 03:53

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This is the 99'th thread in this subsection of awesomeness!!! Always a great read! Almost at 100!

Blackhorse_Six #4 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 03:54

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Very nice piece ...

Now, whaddya know about the Soviet Panthers?

Baron_de_Pencier #5 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:03

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Is there any evidence of French modifications to their captured Panthers, beyond repairs and maintenance? I know the Germans did huge overhauls to captured Soviet vehicles (thank you, Overlord), but was there a comparable system of upgrades in place?

TIGER_I #6 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:03

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View PostBlackhorse_Six, on Nov 08 2012 - 03:54, said:

Very nice piece ...

Now, whaddya know about the Soviet Panthers?

they took them back to the farms to harvest the crops.

Ace_Emil #7 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:05

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A very nice article, thanks for sharing.

Zamolxet #8 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:06

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Is there a post about Canadian tanks in general?

SHISHKABOB #9 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:28

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thank you!

Nymous #10 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:32

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Nice article. I knew the French experimented with Panthers after the war but I never managed to find much more information.

Lou #11 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:45

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Great story, very informative. Thanks!
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ChrisConrad #12 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 04:53

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Nice I knew about this but never really got to get in detail with it do I am realty happy you did this now a the pieces are in for my brain - nvm

Panzerjakey #13 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 05:04

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Knew knew panthers was that good in real life, sounds legit since i do very well in my panther. Great one Wot!

Cl4nkCl4nk #14 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 05:11

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Awesome article!  Thank you for a fine, detailed, and politically unencumbered analysis.  I hope you dare to continue these  :Smile_Default:

Zergling #15 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 05:31

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Great article Chief!

The discussion of specific advantages and drawbacks of the Panther are very interesting and detailed.


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The 90-mm, although an improvement, is not as good as either the 75 or 88. …

More proof of how underpowered the 75mm L/70 is ingame? It may have recieved a buff to 150mm penetration, but it is clearly still nowhere near historical levels.

I figure its talking about the 88mm L/71, as the 88mm L/56 was comparable to the 90mm M3 and had a lower muzzle velocity.

Ole_Sleepy #16 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 05:32

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One problem that plagued the panther was the weak number one suspension arms which were of lighter design and construction than the following arms, pictures of panther "down at the front" because one of these arms had failed was not unusual.
An othe panther feature was that there was no left or right torsion bars, they all rotated clockwise on both sides, so the right side rotated to the rear and the left side to the front. Also the tires on the roadwheels were not solid rubber, they had a viberation damper molded inside, if you ever get a chance to just give a panther tire a rap with your knuckles you can feel the zing of the damper spring

OR4NGE #17 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 06:18

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Lets also not forget the fact that the panther was prohibitely expensive and time consuming to build compared to, lets say a t34.

Overall an immature design, but still awesome in its way.

Mow_Mow #18 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 06:56

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View Postmrasianman2, on Nov 08 2012 - 03:43, said:

Excellent read.

Did the French note anything about how fragile the Panther's ammo racks were? It seems in game I can get an ammo rack on one every other shot. Also, I did read somewhere that side shots usually set of the ammo too.

Generally if a tank's ammo rack gets hit in real life, there doesn't tend to be much of the tank left afterwards, unless they are using wet ammo racks.

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Excellent read!!!

Nymous #20 Posted Nov 08 2012 - 08:12

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One thing I've read from veterans who fought in WW2 against the Germans is that the Panther, Tiger, and Tiger II were prone to break downs. Quite a few said that they would come across German tanks that had been abandoned because they broke down. This was in part because they were more advanced and thus more complicated to maintain but they also suffered from poor construction due to the Germans relying more and more on slave labor as the war went on.




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