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AdmiralTheisman #161 Posted Aug 10 2014 - 14:17

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View PostWalter_Sobchak, on Aug 09 2014 - 18:15, said:

Given the relatively small number of Panthers that the French had, I suspect it was not really worth their while to upgrade or modify them.  Perhaps if they had had a few hundred of them they might have considered it.  There is also the fact that improving the primary deficiency, it's powertrain, would not have been simple. 

Hadn't considered the small numbers of them. Most of the other ones would have had more available or at least abilities to supplement them in short order if necessary, while for the Panther its a vehicle in short supply and its just a temporary unit without any intent for building more. Which makes the incentive to do any modifications for them lower than otherwise, never mind the problems with the most needed vehicle changes.

 

Quite unfortunate. I was really hoping that somebody would have been eccentric enough to create some paper plans for putting an oscillating turret on it or something in similar fashion unusual. 



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View PostAdmiralTheisman, on Aug 10 2014 - 09:17, said:

Hadn't considered the small numbers of them. Most of the other ones would have had more available or at least abilities to supplement them in short order if necessary, while for the Panther its a vehicle in short supply and its just a temporary unit without any intent for building more. Which makes the incentive to do any modifications for them lower than otherwise, never mind the problems with the most needed vehicle changes.

 

Quite unfortunate. I was really hoping that somebody would have been eccentric enough to create some paper plans for putting an oscillating turret on it or something in similar fashion unusual. 

The only other post war use of the Panther that I know about was in Romania and Bulgaria.  At the end of the war, the USSR gave both countries a number of Panther tanks that they had captured.  I believe each country got 15 or less vehicles. 



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View Postmrasianman2, on Nov 07 2012 - 22:43, said:

Excellent read.

Did the French note anything about how fragile the Panther's ammo racks were? It seems in game I can get an ammo rack on one every other shot. Also, I did read somewhere that side shots usually set of the ammo too.

 

 The real historical panther as all german armor is nothing like the game  :)



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You're right, the in-game one doesn't crumble into pieces after 3 75 mm HE hits.

Xlucine #165 Posted Aug 11 2014 - 22:23

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I'm sick of WG buffing tanks far beyond their historical values - there's no reason why the panthers ammoracks would be less likely to blow up after being shot than the ammo racks of any russian tank

AdmiralTheisman #166 Posted Aug 13 2014 - 11:25

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If Stalin can guide the shell, cannot Hitler protect the ammo racks? 

collimatrix #167 Posted Aug 13 2014 - 17:35

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It's sympathetic magic.  Stalin's body was embalmed and preserved, so the spirit of Stalin preserves.  Hitler's body was cremated, therefore the spirit of Hitler causes things to catch on fire.

 

You will note related effects; T-34-85s are still in service and panthers are prone to engine fires.



AdmiralTheisman #168 Posted Aug 14 2014 - 01:52

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View Postcollimatrix, on Aug 13 2014 - 17:35, said:

It's sympathetic magic.  Stalin's body was embalmed and preserved, so the spirit of Stalin preserves.  Hitler's body was cremated, therefore the spirit of Hitler causes things to catch on fire.

 

You will note related effects; T-34-85s are still in service and panthers are prone to engine fires.

So giving them red downvote arrows on the posts of the followers of the faction of the wehraboo is really just being polite it turns out, honoring the legacy of their leader with firelike additions to their posts.


Edited by AdmiralTheisman, Aug 14 2014 - 01:53.


cashdash #169 Posted Aug 14 2014 - 04:28

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Guyz, stahp.

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View PostOR4NGE, on Nov 08 2012 - 07:18, said:

Lets also not forget the fact that the panther was prohibitely expensive and time consuming to build compared to, lets say a t34.

Overall an immature design, but still awesome in its way.

Err... From what I can remember from my study of the pz IV tank and the panther (pz V) I don't think that the panther was much more expensive. It says it in my book on the vehicle, the majority of the internet pages I've read (and believe me, I've read a lot), and from the German records of the vehicle (I saw them online once). Time consuming is a different story, though.



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I thought hitler survived and lived in argentina...?

Zinegata #172 Posted Aug 27 2014 - 02:23

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View PostPit22448, on Aug 27 2014 - 09:04, said:

Err... From what I can remember from my study of the pz IV tank and the panther (pz V) I don't think that the panther was much more expensive. It says it in my book on the vehicle, the majority of the internet pages I've read (and believe me, I've read a lot), and from the German records of the vehicle (I saw them online once). Time consuming is a different story, though.

 

The Reichmark was funny money since 1938, its value fluctuating based on the whims of the Nazi party. The RM price tags of all German tanks were thus ridiculous - according to some figures the Panzer III was more expensive than the Panther in RM terms.

 

In actual man-hours though, the Panther was enormously resource-intensive. The Panther's man-hour cost in Germany was equal to the man-hour cost of a four-engine heavy bomber (a much more expensive and complex machine) in America.



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On the other hand, the Germans wouldn't be making much more Panzer IVs in the same time.

AdmiralTheisman #174 Posted Sep 24 2014 - 13:00

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View PostDominatus, on Aug 28 2014 - 20:58, said:

On the other hand, the Germans wouldn't be making much more Panzer IVs in the same time.

 

Least it wouldn't have broken after driving 60 kilometers though. 

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 24 2014 - 17:04, said:

I sense another Honorverse fan...

 

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