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VooDooPC #41 Posted Nov 13 2012 - 01:45

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View PostGoldorakk, on Nov 13 2012 - 00:22, said:

Lol play the tank, and then you can talk. Stats have nothing to do with the real thing.
Play it, then you can comment..........
Errr... I have almost as many battles as you do in it. If I really felt like it I could play tonight and pass the number of battles you have in it. Mine's not even fully upgraded and I think it's a great tank.

subweevil #42 Posted Nov 13 2012 - 01:51

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The tank is solid.  As I said in another thread, reminds me of a tier 8 Panther, in good ways and bad ways.

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View PostRokuzachi, on Nov 12 2012 - 22:03, said:

It's so rewarding too!

The weaker armor and high RoF of the Brits really make this tactic seem their their 'thing'.
killing Kv1s' and other Churchills before they can turn the corner is quite hilarious, even more so when they get greedy and try to rush the corner.

On another note in the test server the "weak" armor of the Churchill VII made an enemy Tiger H bounce all of his shots whilst I ruined his face, he made the mistake of trying to use his zero-gun depression turret at point blank, and the frontal angles of the mantlet combined with me wiggling the turret made it nigh impenetrable with 203 pen, only one of his 18 shots got through, whilst I slowly plinked away at his 1450 hp.

Rokuzachi #44 Posted Nov 13 2012 - 17:34

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Hah, so I think I've figured something out about this tank after much losing with it last night. Unlocked the second engine at least.

It can't carry. I'm not an amazing player, but I've carried my fair share of matches in tanks like the 50 120, JT, 4502b, Foch, SU-152, and even the Lowe and Churchill I.

But for the life of me, I cannot pull one out with this tank. Not saying it's bad neccessarily. Just... completely relegated to the 'backup' column, lol. Doesn't seem to matter if I put out 1500 or 4400 damage in a match, it's pretty much up to the rest of the team.

Edited by Rokuzachi, Nov 13 2012 - 17:35.


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View PostRokuzachi, on Nov 13 2012 - 17:34, said:

Hah, so I think I've figured something out about this tank after much losing with it last night. Unlocked the second engine at least.

It can't carry. I'm not an amazing player, but I've carried my fair share of matches in tanks like the 50 120, JT, 4502b, Foch, SU-152, and even the Lowe and Churchill I.

But for the life of me, I cannot pull one out with this tank. Not saying it's bad neccessarily. Just... completely relegated to the 'backup' column, lol. Doesn't seem to matter if I put out 1500 or 4400 damage in a match, it's pretty much up to the rest of the team.

I agree fully, it's tough to carry a team with this tank, but you can lock down/deny an area with it, thanks to it's ROF.  As long as any of your team mates have half a brain, they do the alpha and you keep them busy.  If your in the top 3, feel free to bully other tanks, as this tank can bounce shots, I angle it like my E-75.  Most people seem not to know it's ROF right now, and that's a good thing.  It does spit out the damage though.

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View PostKonigwolfen, on Nov 13 2012 - 10:51, said:

killing Kv1s' and other Churchills before they can turn the corner is quite hilarious, even more so when they get greedy and try to rush the corner.
But get derped by KV-2 from front...

Edited by ComradeHX, Nov 14 2012 - 02:28.


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View PostComradeHX, on Nov 14 2012 - 02:27, said:

But get derped by KV-2 from front...
Win some, lose some

Edited by Konigwolfen, Nov 14 2012 - 03:56.


Ogopogo #48 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 15:22

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As mentioned, this tank can lock down an area pretty well when it is in a good position thanks to its ROF, accuracy and penetration. I wind up playing overwatch with it (not quite the same as sniping), and it works reasonably well.

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View PostMow_Mow, on Nov 10 2012 - 19:01, said:

You shouldn't use free exp to unlock the tank unless you have enough to get the best gun and whatever is required to mount it.

He/she broke the cardinal law of grinding: "Thou shalt never use all thy free xp unlocking a stock tank."


Those who break this law earn the stock damnation they inevitably suffer.

Konigwolfen #50 Posted Nov 15 2012 - 07:08

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View PostJDCollie, on Nov 14 2012 - 18:49, said:

He/she broke the cardinal law of grinding: "Thou shalt never use all thy free xp unlocking a stock tank."


Those who break this law earn the stock damnation they inevitably suffer.

You seem to think everyone free exp's through tanks...

Mow_Mow #51 Posted Nov 15 2012 - 07:42

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View PostKonigwolfen, on Nov 15 2012 - 07:08, said:

You seem to think everyone free exp's through tanks...

5% of the experience you earn automatically goes to free exp without needing for conversion. It's best to use that saved up experience get a head start on modules.

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View PostMow_Mow, on Nov 15 2012 - 07:42, said:

5% of the experience you earn automatically goes to free exp without needing for conversion. It's best to use that saved up experience get a head start on modules.
You actually think people without premium accounts and/or tanks just mystically accrue thousands of free exp?

Edited by Konigwolfen, Nov 15 2012 - 08:57.


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Only 32 games, but 72% win rate, 1036 avg xp and 2128 max. I like it alot, very accurate, very quick aiming gun. The turret has a huge mantlet and bounces a decent amount of shots from tanks tiers 6 to 8. The hull is soft but American tankers are probably used to that already. I haven't noticed modules or crew taking extra damage compared to other tanks either. I'm considering holding on to it depending on how I like the conqueror.

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Hmm, Seems interesting discussion here. Would be great to give more hint on how to help more players.


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View PostKonigwolfen, on Nov 15 2012 - 08:56, said:

You actually think people without premium accounts and/or tanks just mystically accrue thousands of free exp?

I had 50,000 when the British tree came out...

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Konigwolfen #56 Posted Nov 16 2012 - 06:33

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View PostOgopogo, on Nov 15 2012 - 18:12, said:

I had 50,000 when the British tree came out...
You seemed to have missed my point, free exp accrues extremely slowly, the only case in which it wouldn't is with both a premium account and/or tank. Which gives you 50%-100% more exp (essentially infinite x1.5-x2's), which equates to 10% exp (technically) gained towards free exp compared to someone with a standard account.

For example, lets say two 3601's are in a battle and get the exact same statistics by battles end
The Standard player gets 650 xp with 32.5 going to free exp (fairly certain the game rounds down not up)
The Premium player gets 975 xp with 48.75 going to free exp, now lets say the premium players 3601 was somehow a premium tank, in this case he gets 1300 xp with 65 xp going to free exp.
----Now lets take this further, someone with a premium account and premium tank will accrue both exp and credits much faster than someone without it, and whilst free exp is useful in lower tiers without a premium acct+tank you wont be free exp'ing your way through a tier V (at least not quickly). Premium gives the payer/player a crutch in that they are less effected by stock tank syndrome and win more battles accordingly, toss in gold and a premium tank and you might as well call it "easy mode".
----Its especially disgusting when higher tiered players use the old "learn to play" comment, when you point out their obvious stupidity (such as a tier 7 arty firing at an enemy medium committing suicide via drowning instead of an enemy heavy ripping our main force a new a**hole.) When their top played tank is a premium, and not just somewhat top played, rather it alone makes up 10% of their total battles. To which they continue and say that you're a poor player because your win/rate isn't 60% or some ridiculous number, as if you alone account for the outcome of a battle (a tier 7 like the 3002DB is very rarely going to sway a tier 8 battle, let alone a tier 9). On another note In the case of efficiency a premium tankers efficiency is artificially improved via the extra 50% exp per battle, as it raises their average exp per battle, on top of the fact that they unlock modules and tanks faster than someone honestly grinding through the game.

(In other words between two players who play and score exactly the same, the one with a premium account would have a higher efficiency)

In my case I'm grinding through several lines at once, without premium or a premium tank. Currently up to...
Tiger II in E-100 line, going to stop at the E-75 (as the E-100 is still garbage).
Vk 4502A in the Maus line, going to stop at the 4502B (Maus does not match my style).
Is3 in the Is7 line.
Kv4 in the Is4 line.
Amx M4 45 in the Amx 50B line.
Amx Mle.1946 in the Amx 50 Foch 155 line.
Su-100 in the Object 263/268 lines.
Ferdinand in the JPE-100 line, haven't bought it yet but I'll be heading back to the Jagdpanther at some point to unlock the Jagdpanther II.
Churchill I in the Fv 215B line.
Vk 3002DB in the E-50M line (and Leopard I line when released).
Amx 13 90 in the Bat.Chat.25t line.
Kv1S in the T-62A line (transferring to Kv-13 then into the T-43).
Free exp doesn't last long as you can imagine, considering how many lines I'm doing in simultaneously

Back to the original start of this reply train, it is not a cardinal law to free exp a tank before purchasing it, if you have to grind it the old fashioned way, that's just how it is (Granted some tanks are completely asinine stock ,Arl V39 for example). If you happen to have a premium account and a premium tank you'll have no issue making tons of free exp in a short period of time, unless of course you suck harder than a blackhole.

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Do not:
- let people play peekaboom with you (you need to be able to utilize your RoF)
- brawl (poor armor plus low maneuverability will get you turned into swiss right quick)
- try to out-DPM people (You shoot fast, but your alpha is low)
- Underestimate your best gun (people don't like to get penned and with your aim time, RoF and accuracy you can scare people off sometimes)

Do:
- Use your RoF to lock people down in the open (probably one of the best ways to help your team win)
- Anticipate scouts (your accuracy + RoF makes you decent at stopping them despite your low alpha)
- Go for the eyes! (.32 accuracy and 1.9 aim time give you a great tool for knocking out modules. I've taken out a shocking amount of engines in my short time playing this thing)

Pretty much stuff that's been said so far. Just felt like posting it up since I had a pretty good night in the thing and the above is how I've been using it/what I've learned about it.

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It is a fun tank, at least I'm having fun with it.  If arty is on their game, this tank can really help them out, by perma-tracking tanks.  Gun depression is also decent.  If other heavies now what they are doing, this tank really can shine as well in the support role, as you can crush a flank in no time with your dpm and them with their alpha.  As a top tank, it can be rough, since people expect you to be front and center, and even though it bounces shots for me, it's simply not suited to be front and center, unless your playingthe deny role.  On a side note, was loads of fun platooned with 2 other Caernarvon. melted everything we came up against.

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View PostKonigwolfen, on Nov 15 2012 - 08:56, said:

You actually think people without premium accounts and/or tanks just mystically accrue thousands of free exp?
I do. I never use gold yet I currently have 22k free exp saved up. I just unlocked the first 120 on my m103 (24k free exp) without playing the tank. Which was a week or 2 after unlocking my Lorraine 155 50's suspension (7k free exp). I must say that the 5x for your first win weekends back to back did load me with about 10k, but I always save my free exp for modules on a specific tank. Right now I'm saving up fort he m48's 105. I'll be unlocking the tank in a couple days and while I grind the credits for it, I'll also be getting free exp

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Why Can't I give this noob a negative rep?!?!




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