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[blue_oktyabr]

I do have to agree that it doesn't seem balanced... Even if it might be historically accurate, I feel like recreating battles that weren't totally one sided would be more fun.

[Wolfbane5001]

blue_oktyabr, on Nov 15 2012 - 19:59, said:

I do have to agree that it doesn't seem balanced... Even if it might be historically accurate, I feel like recreating battles that weren't totally one sided would be more fun.

Most battles were won over sheer number and tactics compared to strength of tanks. The Battle of The Bulge is a great example of this.

Edited by Wolfbane5001, Nov 15 2012 - 21:33.

[Vezner]

EndlesNights, on Nov 15 2012 - 00:03, said:

So because the Battle was fought in mid summer of June 41, in a city in Poland (now the Ukrain) it total makes scene to have the reenactment in an Artic Regions away from any cities or bridge river crossings like the actual battle. Alright makes scene.

Hmm overwhelming numbers of T-34s & KV-1s agents light German tanks? Seems legit very balanced, and the Soviets never used BT-7s and T-26s, while the Germans didn't have any bomber support that crushed the Russian ground forces, and that why the Russia very much so won this battle just like you said they did....


I'm just going to say this only once. if you're going to host a historic battle please have your historic facts straight and actully balance the teams

*Delete Double Post*

Edited by Vezner, Nov 16 2012 - 01:38.

[Vezner]

EndlesNights, on Nov 15 2012 - 00:03, said:

So because the Battle was fought in mid summer of June 41, in a city in Poland (now the Ukrain) it total makes scene to have the reenactment in an Artic Regions away from any cities or bridge river crossings like the actual battle. Alright makes scene.
Hmm overwhelming numbers of T-34s & KV-1s agents light German tanks? Seems legit very balanced, and the Soviets never used BT-7s and T-26s, while the Germans didn't have any bomber support that crushed the Russian ground forces, and that why the Russia very much so won this battle just like you said they did....

I'm just going to say this only once. if you're going to host a historic battle please have your historic facts straight and actully balance the teams

Did I say to use BT7s and T26s? Plus, that artic region part was on my mistake.

blue_oktyabr, on Nov 14 2012 - 20:33, said:

PzIII for me please. but I can field any of these tanks if need be...

What gun?

Edited by Vezner, Nov 16 2012 - 01:38.

[blue_oktyabr]

Ah, sorry I forgot. Hmmmmm... I'll use the stock gun.

[Vezner]

Come on guys, we only need 4 more!

Edited by Vezner, Nov 16 2012 - 14:12.

[hihilow56]

Yeah in defense of nights and blue, 4 tier Vs (even with near stock guns) have way more health than 2 tier III, 2 tier IV and one tier V, but in all honesty it is fine, balancing isnt always done on paper, and as long as ppl are willing to change tanks, guns, etc it will work

[EndlesNights]

Vezner, on Nov 16 2012 - 01:36, said:

Did I say to use BT7s and T26s? Plus, that artic region part was on my mistake.

No you didn't, and that's the problem, in 1941, the bulk of the Red Armys Tank Divisions like most other countries were still consisted of mostly light tanks. Of the 6000 tanks the USSR had available in the area at the time only 15% of them were T-34s & KV-1s. The other 85% consisted of lighters tanks, mostly T-26, & BT-series as well as other light tanks such as the T-38, T-37. Why these tanks are unavailable in a battle in which they were the back bone of the Russian force? I have no clue, but it looked like you really just want the Russians to win this fight

Edit, sorry i see you reduced the numbers of KV-1 and T-34, alright that's great now it's some what balanced, just add a few more Stock PzIII and some T-26 or BT-7s and theres the battle for you.

and if you don'r mind i could even drive the Panzer III with the 5,0 cm


Oh and as a possible map you can use Red Shire , the Soviets should defend the town, and the Germans would have to attack from across the river

Edited by EndlesNights, Nov 16 2012 - 19:07.

[EndlesNights]

The Historical set up of each tank (in 1941) (sorry the images didn't want to show up so I had to use links)


T-34 1941 model

Spoiler

http://s205.beta.pho...T34_41.jpg.html

KV-1

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http://s205.beta.pho...ia/KV1.jpg.html

T-26

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http://s205.beta.pho...a/T26M.jpg.html

BT-7

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http://s205.beta.pho...ia/BT7.jpg.html

Panzer IV

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http://s205.beta.pho.../PzIVF.jpg.html

Panzer III Ausf J (5,0cm Gun)

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http://imageshack.us...IG_new.jpg.html

Panzer III Ausf G (3,7cm Gun)

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http://imageshack.us/f/705/iivwt.jpg/

PzKpfw 38 (t)

Spoiler

http://s205.beta.pho...tAusfG.jpg.html

Edited by EndlesNights, Nov 16 2012 - 21:16.

[Vezner]

EndlesNights, on Nov 16 2012 - 17:38, said:

No you didn't, and that's the problem, in 1941, the bulk of the Red Armys Tank Divisions like most other countries were still consisted of mostly light tanks. Of the 6000 tanks the USSR had available in the area at the time only 15% of them were T-34s & KV-1s. The other 85% consisted of lighters tanks, mostly T-26, & BT-series as well as other light tanks such as the T-38, T-37. Why these tanks are unavailable in a battle in which they were the back bone of the Russian force? I have no clue, but it looked like you really just want the Russians to win this fight

Edit, sorry i see you reduced the numbers of KV-1 and T-34, alright that's great now it's some what balanced, just add a few more Stock PzIII and some T-26 or BT-7s and theres the battle for you.

and if you don'r mind i could even drive the Panzer III with the 5,0 cm


Oh and as a possible map you can use Red Shire , the Soviets should defend the town, and the Germans would have to attack from across the river

Roger, and our arguement changed quickly.

[Nukeknockout]

I can be either a T-34 or PzIV. Stock or upgraded turret?

[hihilow56]

Nuke you need all stock parts except for the F-34 gun.

[Nukeknockout]

Copy on that. Stock parts minus the F-34, 50% crew, should be doable.

[Vezner]

Alright, I need two more commanders!

[ForbiddenEwe]

Even bone-stock that KV is gonna walk all over the Germans... none of their guns can touch it. Why don't you replace it with a couple light tanks?

[Vezner]

Because it's not historically correct, the BTs and others were not present during known battles of Brody.

[ForbiddenEwe]

Oh, okay, I'm not real familiar with the Eastern Front battles. Still, this is pretty much a sure win for the USSR. Good luck with it though.

[EndlesNights]

Vezner, on Dec 11 2012 - 02:02, said:

Because it's not historically correct, the BTs and others were not present during known battles of Brody.

I'm not trying to police your thread, but that statement is simply not true, there were intact a lot of BT tanks present and accounted for during the battle of Brody, pluses if you let people play in them, more people can join the event


Soviet 8-th, 9-th, 15-th, 19-th, 22-nd divisions
June, 22 in these five Soviet corps were 33 КV-2, 136 КV-1, 48 Т-35, 171 Т-34, 2,415 Т-26 (85% were T-26 light tanks)
Alright no BTs there but a lot of T-26s


10th Soviet Tank Division Battle records
June 23rd Lost 6 T-34 tanks and 20 BT tanks to the 11th Panzer Division
June 26th Lost 13 KV and 12 BT-7 tanks

By June 1st, the 7-th 8-th and 12-th Soviet regrouped created the 38th Divistion 207 tanks, including 43 KVs, 31 T-34s, 69 BT-7s, 57 T-26s and 7 T-40s

And as I said before "Of the 6000 tanks the USSR had available in the area at the time only 15% of them were T-34s & KV-1s. The other 85% consisted of lighters tanks, mostly T-26, & BT-series as well as other light tanks such as the T-38, T-37."

[cheesellama]

Oh yes, I heard of this battle. There was an MVP event on this. I nicknamed it the Battle of Brony MLP.

But sadly, I don't have any of these tanks. D:

[Vezner]

Hmm, what ever happened to the Historical Battles made around 1-2 around the time this topic was made.