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BigDork #-19 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 02:58

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"It doesn't happen without replay", "You just don't understand vision mechanics", etc., etc.
One of the most blatant examples of invisatank I have had.
Map: Mines.
I am at C4 (just past the little bush going for the hill) in my KV-1
he is at E5 (just short of the turn to hilltop).

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be
(my video software has a corrupted file, so I bailed and used webcam...sorry for quality, but it is only 15 seconds)

BAH!

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NavySnipers #-18 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 02:59

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Does nobody read the wiki?

Gilthos #-17 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:08

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No, they don't, Navy. They just play the game then whine about arty/spotting/light tank and spotting/too many arty/premium/gold rounds/garbad/RNG/camo/TDs and whatever else they don't like.

Rick_500 #-16 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:10

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Invisatanks? Impossible.

Reason: No known device to make anything disapear and not to be seen unless turned off
Explamation to problem: Camo net, Vents, And crew skill "Camoflauge skill"
Prognostic: Stop complaining and learn the balance of tanks.

Other example: Do you see a guy in a bush? (No) Does the guy in the bush see you (most likely). Your both in a bush. You have regular clothes on (red)
He has camoflauge paint on face camoflauged clothes. He is less likely to be spotted.

Cartoonman #-15 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:11

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Mugsy_ #-14 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:15

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Hey BigDork,
Please watch the video Cartoonman posted. If you have any questions afterwards please drop me a line and we can address any issues remaining. Thank you. ~ Mugsy_

* +1 Cartoonman

Edited by Mugsy_, Nov 14 2012 - 03:15.


Mydragonsfly #-13 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:16

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View PostRick_500, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:10, said:

Invisatanks? Impossible.

Reason: No known device to make anything disapear and not to be seen unless turned off

Dunno if I read you right, but I'll say it anyways..

Something can actually be invisable, just turn off all the lights and there you go!  :Smile_smile:

Cartoonman #-12 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:19

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View PostMugsy_, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:15, said:

Hey BigDork,
Please watch the video Cartoonman posted. If you have any questions afterwards please drop me a line and we can address any issues remaining. Thank you. ~ Mugsy_

* +1 Cartoonman
Why thank you Mugsy. I appreciate your gratitude. :)

Rick_500 #-11 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:20

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View PostMydragonsfly, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:16, said:

Dunno if I read you right, but I'll say it anyways..

Something can actually be invisable, just turn off all the lights and there you go!  :Smile_smile:
Hahah not what i ment.
I mean no device can be put on something to make it disapear and not be seen anyway by human eyes unless the device is shut off. Therefore proving invisatanks dont exsist. Nonspotted tanks exsist but not invisatanks.


(Who came up with invisatanks garbad?)

Rick_500 #-10 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:21

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View PostCartoonman, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:19, said:

Why thank you Mugsy. I appreciate your gratitude. :)
I apprieciate the video now i can understand it even more its been  a while since i seen it . +1 good man. (Also been a while since i +1 someone)

xchancex #-9 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:24

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cartoonman's video should say it all, it's simple really.

fsjd #-8 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:26

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166m. depending on what you were in you may not have been seeing him yourself. especially since he wanst moving.
jusding by your RoF and continual bounces, i guess you were on the low end of that match. some tier 3 perhaps.

Cartoonman #-7 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:27

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I would also like to note the importance of 6th sense in situations like that, where it's unclear whether you're spotted or not, esp. with camo'd tanks. Having 6th sense will help you know when you're spotted, so that if you get hit, you won't be surprised, and if in the chance that they miss or don't hit you when the indicator goes off, you'll have time to get into cover.

Mydragonsfly #-6 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:50

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View PostRick_500, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:20, said:

I mean no device can be put on something to make it disapear and not be seen anyway by human eyes unless the device is shut off.

Aye just what I thought.. Actually isnt there any tech in the works for makeing things such as tanks invisable or is my mind just getting detracked.. Alas, a topic for another thread for another day...

Backfat #-5 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:55

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One other thing- you were aiming too low.  Most tanks have a weak lower glacis.  The Sherman series, T1 heavy and M6 have a very strong lower plate.  You should aim at the upper plate/mg ports for those tanks.

Malphator #-4 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 03:58

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View PostBackfat, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:55, said:

One other thing- you were aiming too low.  Most tanks have a weak lower glacis.  The Sherman series, T1 heavy and M6 have a very strong lower plate.  You should aim at the upper plate/mg ports for those tanks.

I didn't wanna be the troll going off topic, but this was the first thing I noticed as well. Not the most constructive use of your ammo.

BigDork #-3 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 04:24

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stepping back in here:I have read wiki about vision mechanics (although admittedly not enough on where to hit which tanks). I have watched the provided video and just watched it again. I have found nothing to satisfactorily explain this situation.

If you watched the video, the guy is 166M away. In a frickin M4A3E2, not a little LT. In the wide open. He is both moving (watch his tracks) and firing at me, to include after he disappears.
I have a 310M view range, a 100% crew (commander at 105%) with 91% recon perk/skill.
Sorry, but this scenario fails to meet the criteria in the video or in wiki that explains "poof". If you could, since I am obviously dense, provide a specific line or paragraph in wiki I should re-read? Rather than giving a one-size-fits-all answer (which, ironically, is a premise of this post...see opening line).

Further, I would ask that members not bother posting insults and/or negative assumptions about their fellow tankers...ask me what my experience is rather than casting snide comments like "Does nobody read the wiki?" or "They just play the game then whine about arty/spotting/light tank and spotting/too many arty/premium/gold rounds/garbad/RNG/camo/TDs and whatever else they don't like." I, and other gamers, don't need personal affronts. Thank you.

And thank you to those who posted trying to help me thus far.

Oh, and I edited the video seriously, so it didn't show the bonehead move that caught me out in the open alone, but it also did NOT show me trying the upper plate (although nowhere in particular...just kinda shotgunned) to no avail. You see the last-ditch attempt to pen somewhere before dying. --AND-- I am NOT complaining/whining about pen/lack thereof. I mostly understand that through wiki and videos. I had bad luck and bad aim. eh.

Edited by BigDork, Nov 14 2012 - 05:25.


fsjd #-2 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 04:36

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View PostBackfat, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:55, said:

One other thing- you were aiming too low.  Most tanks have a weak lower glacis.  The Sherman series, T1 heavy and M6 have a very strong lower plate.  You should aim at the upper plate/mg ports for those tanks.
that also includes the M7 priest- its built off a sherman chassis, including that lower buldge that bounces the strangest things. hers a hint- shoot over the buldge, not at it.

juhaas #-1 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 05:04

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Well he did go *poof* and that just doesn't look right. I don't know what E2's camo ratings are but can't be that high and even with net and full camo skill the guy's already been spotted and remains in plain sight some 150m away. I call BS on that one WG.

Another possibility, you had some packet loss and tank remained visible despite the fact that he actually backed off. You did not see him backing off, just gone when data was synced again. Although he does seem to maneuver just before he pulls a Copperfield so I dunno. Maybe. I see my own tank teleporting on me plenty of times recently so just a thought.

BigDork #0 Posted Nov 14 2012 - 05:29

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View PostRick_500, on Nov 14 2012 - 03:20, said:

Nonspotted tanks exsist but not invisatanks.

All tanks in this game are spotted. They are made up of pixels (little bitty spots).
(Insert groan here)