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CommissarKharkov #1 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:04

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1961

M48 vs T55
Berlin crisis: the standoff at Checkpoint Charlie

Fifty years ago a face-off between Soviet and US tanks at Checkpoint Charlie threatened to spark a third world war

http://www.guardian....ckpoint-charlie


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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?201815-Berlin-Crisis-of-1961


Question:  If the shooting started, would you rather be in a T55 or a M48 (setting aside nationalities for a moment)?

Edited by CommissarKharkov, Dec 01 2012 - 18:05.


PanzerGrenadier1 #2 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:08

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Leichtraktor..... Less  likely to be seen as a threat.... then BAM. T-54=Suprised.

Edited by PanzerGrenadier1, Dec 01 2012 - 18:12.


Commander_Apollo #3 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:09

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Vladmir_Lemon #4 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:12

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http://static.guim.c...Charlie-001.jpg
T-55 On the Soviet side and M48 on the American side.

Tiger_23 #5 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:14

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Bean223 #6 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 18:26

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View PostCommissarKharkov, on Dec 01 2012 - 18:04, said:

1961

M48 vs T55
Berlin crisis: the standoff at Checkpoint Charlie

Fifty years ago a face-off between Soviet and US tanks at Checkpoint Charlie threatened to spark a third world war

http://www.guardian....ckpoint-charlie


video (no sound)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?201815-Berlin-Crisis-of-1961


Question:  If the shooting started, would you rather be in a T55 or a M48 (setting aside nationalities for a moment)?

At that range?? I wouldnt have mattered.

CommissarKharkov #7 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 21:06

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View Postgreekguy, on Dec 01 2012 - 18:12, said:

http://static.guim.c...Charlie-001.jpg
T-55 On the Soviet side and M48 on the American side.

The M48's look better situated should things get nasty.  The T-55's look like they are in parade formation and are blocking each other.

I'd hate to be the border guards in the middle.....

amaROenuZ #8 Posted Dec 01 2012 - 21:25

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M48s. Don't get me wrong, the T-55s look safer to be in, but those things are just cramped.

IrishSpectre #9 Posted Dec 02 2012 - 04:14

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M48's. Those things were designed expressly to kill T-55's. Not to mention that, as stated above, the T-55's were in no way prepared to fight should things have gotten ugly. The M48's would have had two kills and a roadblock made from ruined Soviet tanks in the first 5 seconds.

murphy4570 #10 Posted Dec 16 2012 - 07:16

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T-55. US had something like 10 or 20 M48 tanks in West Berlin. The Soviets had something like an entire tank DIVISION surrounding west berlin. Remember kiddies, Berlin was in East Germany.

If a fight had broke out, the US would have lost Berlin inside of a day. US commanders and troops held no illusions about that.

IrishSpectre #11 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 01:19

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Unfortunately for the Americans, you are correct, they would have taken Berlin. Unfortunately for the Soviets, they would have to take Berlin from entrenched Americans. The American troops would have lost that battle, but they would have made life hell for the Soviets sent to take the city.

CommissarKharkov #12 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 08:30

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View PostIrishSpectre, on Dec 20 2012 - 01:19, said:

Unfortunately for the Americans, you are correct, they would have taken Berlin. Unfortunately for the Soviets, they would have to take Berlin from entrenched Americans. The American troops would have lost that battle, but they would have made life hell for the Soviets sent to take the city.

Also the Brits and French were there.  They too had forces in their respective quarters of the City, and were allied with the US forces.  The Soviets would have won, but it would have cost them.

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View PostCommissarKharkov, on Dec 20 2012 - 08:30, said:

Also the Brits and French were there. They too had forces in their respective quarters of the City, and were allied with the US forces. The Soviets would have won, but it would have cost them.

Yes, please pardon my omission of our allies; I was focused more on the immediate action at Checkpoint Charlie, and also the fact that the largest allied quarter was held by the United States. I am sure the British and French would have fought valiantly as well.