Pubstar McPubberPub, on Dec 05 2012 - 03:43, said:
From what people keep telling me, the 50B is just a supposedly inferior Batchat, with the exception of slightly more pen (somewhat negated by the Bat's standard APCR), a tad more HP, and slightly better salvo time/ reload time. If you have any spare time between preaching to the forums and goofing around ingame, I'd appreciate if you could go through a (quick)sort of Pros vs. Cons for the two.
Thanks in advance,
In theory, the 50B has superior DPS, soft stats (notably interclip time, depression), and more HP. Its also got enough ammo that it never runs out (the batchat has only 30 rounds, which is often not enough, especially to mix ammo types). In reality, the ability to hit and run as an autoloader is key -- the 50B is fast...but not really fast enough to escape a bad situation. Plus, its lowish clip alpha mean it can't really solo a target -- it can only provide support fire, where a batchat can roam and win 1v1s. On top of that, the batchat is a superior scout, meaning you contribute a massive amount without ever firing a shot (or while reloading). So in conclusion, its not close. The batchat is a godtank, one of the very best in Wot. The 50b is simply not even close to as good as the batchat in general play...and yet...
...the truth is the 50B is not competing with the bat. The bat is the only endgame light, the best endgame skirmisher. It has no competitors, and is head and shoulders better than anyone at those roles. But if you look at the narrow niche of providing support fire, the french heavies are more deserving of a look. You will never be as flexible, effective, or godlike as a batchat overall, but you can provide quality supporting fire. Compare a 50B to say an E-50M, a 268, a t-62A, or so on and it gets a little more use. Here's where the clip comes in handy -- unlike the batchat, you can generally dump a full clip into a t10 heavy/td before they reload to fire back. This means you can surge forward, savage someone, and get back to the safety of your blob reasonably well. Compared to other support fire, you have the following advantages.
- burst damage is deadly as crap, when well used it can really tip fights in your favor
- adequate sniping, depression, etc
- adequate agility for tactical movement, short term flanks, etc. Just not scouting or outrunning fast meds.
- lowest DPM of support damage tanks (tied with E-50M)
- worthless armor
- poor camo
Here's a recent replay in the 50B to get a feel for it. You can find older ones in my page:
A final consideration is the T57. The T57 is performing very badly right now, and I suspect will have to be buffed before release. But as it is now, at a minimum its another choice in a very crowded ecosystem. The T57 will have more DPM with equivalent soft stats, but be much slower. If it has a 6 round clip...I'd take the T57 most of the time. If it keeps the 4 round clip, I'll take the 50B. This of course all depends on a ton of stats that aren't finalized or tested by me, but its worth considering.
The french heavies are a real mixed bag. Some players utterly dominate in them. Some don't. It just depends on how you play. I was one of the ones who can dominate, as I get a lot of impact out of a clip in the right place. I think it has a niche - a small, crowded one, but one that isn't to be ignored. In G, we often bring say 9x core heavies, 2x scouts, 2x arty...and two support damage dealers. The 50B is fighting for those spots against a large collection of worthy opponents (t62, brit heavy, foch, 268, etc) but on occasion is a good choice.
So while not comparable to the batchat, either in role or in overall quality, the 50B is not completely useless. In pubs, it can do well in matches with many other top tier tanks (its very poor vs. artyparty). In competitive play, it gets a look sometimes.