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big_boo_baddy #21 Posted Dec 18 2012 - 12:20

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View Postbig_boo_baddy, on Dec 18 2012 - 12:19, said:

Really, where are you shooting them then? IS (and KV-3) has 120mm front armour, Tiger IE has 100mm, T29 102mm, AMX M4 is 90mm (bit of a slope as well). The only tanks which a Stug should have issues with frontal is the Churchill Mk VII and the Tiger(P) shoot them in the turret or hull front weakspots. The Stug has the second highest pen of all the tier 5 TD's (behind my S-35CA) but it has better front armour than the bath tub, is faster, lower profile and turns more quickly. The S-35 only has it's guns, thats it top speed of about 30kph if you're lucky, going downhill with a tailwind (listed is 37kph and i've never got there). A massive 56mm of front armour, combined with it being open topped. I can get my bathtub to bounce if I am lucky and the guy shooting at me just throws a round at the front of me.

It's not OP by any means, it suits the actual TD patient style of play since it lacks the armour, mobility and turret to be more aggressive. As for the 105mm gun it's dpm is lower than the potential from the 17lber which I why I stopped using the 105mm although I do miss the alpha........

No idea how this double posted... and quoted myself

Edited by big_boo_baddy, Dec 18 2012 - 18:31.


screamingdizbusters #22 Posted Dec 18 2012 - 13:24

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If you wanted to talk about a tank with an OP gun I wouldn't be referencing a tiger as being one of those tanks capable of bouncing... well anything.  If you know what you're doing you can reliably penetrate a tiger's front with pretty much anything... never mind tank destroyers...

And considering you couldn't see your opponent I think one or more of the following problems are abound:

1) The TD driver was a good player who spent the time or money to upgrade his crew and used the correct modules.
2) Your crew/modules/extra kit is not up to par
3) you're driving your tiger wrong

Given your stats, your underwhelming efficiency rating and your poor winrate on the tiger even after 200+ games I'd say its a bit of 1 & 3 since I can't prove 2.  The french tier 5 TD is good, but it's camo rating is on par (lower than the stug and su85) and realistically you'd be blind against all those in this case.  Also probably hurt more since I think they have higher DPS and all can pen your tiger.  Also, back when balancing was broke - I don't remeber reliably penetrating ANY tier 8 tank of any kind with my SC35A (excusing some french meds and the like).

Edited by screamingdizbusters, Dec 18 2012 - 13:39.


Reinmand #23 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 14:13

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View PostJefftiffy, on Dec 12 2012 - 19:58, said:

Yea but no other T5 Td has a gun that can pen a T8 from the front.

So we should also nerf the T29(Turret), the KV-1S(390 damage alpha), Tiger (P)(200mm Hull), the ARL 44(212 mm Pen), SU-85b( 400m View range) etc etc etc.  All of these tanks also have things that no other tank in their class has, and therefore they should all be nerfed.

Actually, lets just all drive Type 59's and forget about having strengths and weaknesses.

From_Russia_with_Vodka #24 Posted Dec 21 2012 - 02:22

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View PostJefftiffy, on Dec 12 2012 - 19:58, said:

Yea but no other T5 Td has a gun that can pen a T8 from the front.
I played a lot of games on the S35, but never saw the T8 enemy's...

WetRock #25 Posted Dec 21 2012 - 02:23

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Gosh an enemy tanked owned you so it nerds a nerf. Where have I seen this thread before?

big_boo_baddy #26 Posted Dec 22 2012 - 16:16

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View PostFrom_Russia_with_Vodka, on Dec 21 2012 - 02:22, said:

I played a lot of games on the S35, but never saw the T8 enemy's...

Don't forget the MM got adjusted about patch 7.8 or was it 8.0 so most tanks including the S-35CA will only see tanks 2 up or 2 down tier wise. But back in the bad old days a tier 5 could face tier 8's and get battered for their trouble :-)

gleaver #27 Posted Dec 23 2012 - 00:06

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View PostSuichimo, on Dec 12 2012 - 21:18, said:

Because you idiots whined the the SU-85 was over powered with its 107, failing to notice that it had a long reload time and wasn't all that accurate.

Oh, and Lert is completely correct.

...I had an su-85 with the 107.  It was massively overpowered with the 107.  Even though it is soft and has no view range, that gun made up for it.  It was almost as ridiculous as the KV1 when it could mount the 152 or 107.

Tupinambis #28 Posted Dec 23 2012 - 00:14

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I don't think the S-35 CA needs a nerf. Remember that, compared to the old SU-85 with the 107, the S-35 CA has a notably lower RoF.

However, if you do take the 105mm gun away from it, I could live with it provided that the 90mm gun GETS A BUFF.

Right now the S-35 with the 90mm gun is basically just a BDR G1B that had everything about it nerfed except the RoF. To my knowledge it is the ONLY instance in the entire game where the TD version of a gun does NOT get an accuracy advantage over the tank-mounted version of the same gun.

big_boo_baddy #29 Posted Dec 23 2012 - 11:29

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Personally I can't work out why people are so steamed about a tank which has the potential to fire one round roughly every 10 sec's (with a rammer and top crew). It has limited mobility, an open top and no armour worth mentioning (although used right it WILL bounce stuff). Ironically I find the best gun for it is the stock gun, pen and accuracy as good or better than the 105mm and a higher dpm potential. I can't see a single reason to mount the 90mm unless I was going to shoot gold through it every shot (which I have no desire or need to do) to get the same pen as the stock gun.

The 105mm is a good gun and it's the one I used on the ARL V39 until I had the DCA 45 unlocked. It does give the 35 CA the same feel as the old SU-85 but without the mobility, sloped armour, lower profile and rate of fire. (107mm on the SU-85 was a beast and I miss it terribly  :Smile_confused: )

Thebloxxer #30 Posted Dec 29 2012 - 23:50

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Reminds me of when they took the 100mm(175mm pen.) off of the T-43 for example. I grinded it before the update where they took it off for upgrades. That was the best thing about it as its armor was only 75/60/60. Now I can't imagine driving it with just the 85mm(144mm pen.).

Laurys #31 Posted Dec 30 2012 - 00:01

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View PostJefftiffy, on Dec 12 2012 - 20:04, said:

Lol no Stug can't even scratch most T7s. has 150mm of pen on its top gun.

You're doing it wrong then.
That 150mm pen gun is used on loads of German T6 mediums and the JgPzIV doesn't get anything with better pen.

The T-43, a Russian T7 medium, has 144 pen on its top gun.

Stug's main problem vs higher tiers is that it's super fragile.

zaibatsukid #32 Posted Jan 04 2013 - 14:15

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Ouuu... GROSS! Let's make all tanks the same vanilla cookie style, and call it fair. I happen to like 2% milk, so there! That's just disgusting to me. Though don't get me wrong tanks need balance so all tanks are useful, at the same time all your suggesting is making everything the same. I think it's fine, for all it's strengths it also has weaknesses, you get easily flanked by lights and the reload time is disgusting, plus your made of glass.

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favrepeoria #33 Posted Jan 05 2013 - 02:54

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I feel like I may have been the perpetrator in this case sorry OP lol I love pounding the crap out of stuff from bushes with my S35CA with 17 lber

threelegcatkungfu #34 Posted Jan 07 2013 - 20:32

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View PostRiceygringo, on Dec 12 2012 - 21:15, said:

Actually S-35CA is just a Su-85-107 without the speed. I would say it's the best tier 5 TD now the Su-85 no longer has the 107

Indeed, it actually also reminds me of the ISU-152 with the BL-10. Similar handling and fragility, but with a huge gun.

PGOT__DM #35 Posted Jan 08 2013 - 03:37

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:Smile_veryhappy: Are you kidding me the S35 CA is perectly fine, its a TD it has no armor, kinda slow, but it needs to have some kind of strength  so quit whining and go play.

Skraeling #36 Posted Jan 08 2013 - 20:42

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Lob an HE shell at one and giggle as it implodes.

AtticusFinch #37 Posted Jan 10 2013 - 03:56

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Need we mention the horrible accuracy and aim time on the 105?