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Billymays #1 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 19:52

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I've been thinking, and i'm suprised WG hasn't looked at this yet.

Gun choices for german tanks tier IV and below is... well, slim. You have the short 5cm, 5cm L/60, and that laughable tier I 37mm gun.
German tanks really need some spicing up, so why not give it the 5cm flak as an option? It'd be like the browning semi auto (Also an AA gun) with a 5 round 'magazine'. It would just have derp-ier penetration and a messy reload rate.

http://www.lonesentr...5cm-flak-41.jpg

It would make for an interesting choice even on the panzer IV, especially since the comparable Bofors 40mm mark I is capable of dealing damage to anything that's not a KV (And even then, it can do some crazy stuff).

So how about it? 5cm Flak for german tanks?

Dont look at me for stats, i'm not qualified to do that.  :Smile-hiding:

antonov225 #2 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 19:53

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I like the idea. Luckly, I have some positive reps!

ArchMadman #3 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 19:54

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why not

Commando_Nightmare #4 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 19:56

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Razstrelnikov #5 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:03

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If it autoloads like the hilariously OP QF 40mm on the A13, it will never see use (German tanks can't have ridiculous guns like that for "balance" reasons). The current weapons on low tier German tanks are working as intendedTM, and mounting that flak gun might disrupt "historical accuracy"  :Smile_trollface-3:

I'd love to see that FlaK gun on the PzIII... :Smile_smile:

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Surprised it didn't start with "Hi Billy Mays here to bring you this amazing new gun to add to the lower teir tanks of WoT!"
You can order this amazing weapon for just 12000 credits! But wait if you order now you can get a panzer4 for half off! That's right, a 373,000 credit value  for just 186,500! But if you call right now we'll throw in a free medium caliber gun rammer! Sure to make your new cannon as effictive as possible!

Blackhorse_Three #7 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:06

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No. It was never even considered for tank or anti-tank platforms, as the 5 cm KwK 39 was already superior.

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The 5 cm FlaK 41 (Flugabwehrkanone 41) was 50 mm anti-aircraft gun produced for defending intemediate zone above the light, 37 mm guns' range, but below the ceiling of the heavy, 75 mm and above, pieces. The gun proved inadequate and was produced in small numbers.

Development of the gun, although started in 1936 was slow, and the contract was awarded to Rheinmetall-Borsig only in 1940. The gun was produced in two models, one mounted on a two-axle trailer, the other one stationary, used for defending important industrial installations. None of the two was a success and both shared the same faults. The speed of traverse was too slow for fast-moving targets and the gun proved underpowered, even though the propellant gave a powerful blast, able to dazzle the aimer even in broad daylight. The relatively heavy cartridge (shell alone weighted 2.2 kg) was cumbersome and heavy when loaded in 5-round clips.[2]

The gun was automatic, gas-operated, locked by breech block dropping down, which engaged the buttress guides on the block against the guides on the jacket. The recoil of the breech operated the feed mechanism. The buffer was mounted centrally in the cradle, between the two springs of the recuperator[1]. At least two of these guns were put in the Messerschmitt Me 262.

Altogether 60 of 5 cm Flak 41 were produced, starting from 1941. Some of them were still in use in 1945.[2]
Later German attempts to create a medium anti-air gun focused on 55 mm weapons (Gerät 58) and the 5 cm Pak 38-derived Gerät 241.


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View PostPanzerKampfHase, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:03, said:

If it autoloads like the hilariously OP QF 40mm on the A13, it will never see use (German tanks can't have ridiculous guns like that for "balance" reasons). The current weapons on low tier German tanks are working as intendedTM, and mounting that flak gun might disrupt "historical accuracy"  :Smile_trollface-3:

I'd love to see that FlaK gun on the PzIII... :Smile_smile:

All sarcasm aside, it's perfectly balanceable even with the "Evil anti german tank" logic since it's a large caliber semiautomatic gun. And on a panzer III it'd be pretty cool. It'd also set it apart from the light tanks since it simply wont fit on a luchs or 38NA. :D

View PostMattdude77, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:04, said:

Surprised it didn't start with "Hi Billy Mays here to bring you this amazing new gun to add to the lower teir tanks of WoT!"

If i had a dollar for every forum newb that has made this sort of crack. Gets old sometimes.

View PostBlackhorse_Three, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:06, said:

No.

You're no fun and you dont understand how it's entirely possible to integrate new guns without hurting anything.

So a "No" from you pretty much counts as a "Yes" From forty individuals.

Edited by Billymays, Dec 15 2012 - 20:11.


r4y #9 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:13

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I like it; it could prove quite effective on the Leopard (which I've finally obtained and I must say I'm a bit disappointed because you can't effectively "run and gun") on most maps I somehow end up on; too many hills and bumps to shoot something accurately.

Priory_of_Sion #10 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:14

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Why not the BK 5?
http://www.ww2aircra...le=20362&size=1

The BK 5 was a modified version of the 5cm L/50 gun. It used an autoloader and was mounted within aircraft(HE 410s). It fired 22 rounds per magazine and could fire 2 magazines a minute.

With the addition of the BK 5 you can add the BK 37mm and the BK 75mm guns.

Another option is low tier taber bore weapons(Konisch + 2 pounder w/ LittleJohn) .

r4y #11 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:16

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View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:14, said:

Why not the BK 5?
http://www.ww2aircra...le=20362&size=1

The BK 5 was a modified version of the 5cm L/50 gun. It used an autoloader and was mounted within aircraft(HE 410s). It fired 22 rounds per magazine and could fire 2 magazines a minute.

With the addition of the BK 5 you can add the BK 37mm and the BK 75mm guns.

Another option is low tier taber bore weapons(Konisch + 2 pounder w/ LittleJohn) .

Ah THAT one.  There was also a modified Me-262 variant intended to use it; it was designed as an anti-tank aircraft along the lines of the Ju-87G and Hs-219.

Blackhorse_Three #12 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:17

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View PostBillymays, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:10, said:

So a "No" from you pretty much counts as a "Yes" From forty individuals.

That's because you are all witless gamers. Read some history, and keep it on the timeline.

Billymays #13 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:19

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View PostBlackhorse_Three, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:06, said:

No. It was never even considered for tank or anti-tank platforms, as the 5 cm KwK 39 was already superior.

But how do we know? It was considered useless in the AA role, and 50 or so were made. I wouldn't doubt that they at least toyed around with the idea.

Besides, german tanks already need some variety, and WG already said they wont do recoiless rifles, so we wont see a 5cm PAW anytime soon.

View PostPriory_of_Sion, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:14, said:

Why not the BK 5?

The BK 5 was a modified version of the 5cm L/50 gun. It used an autoloader and was mounted within aircraft(HE 410s). It fired 22 rounds per magazine and could fire 2 magazines a minute.

With the addition of the BK 5 you can add the BK 37mm and the BK 75mm guns.

Another option is low tier taber bore weapons(Konisch + 2 pounder w/ LittleJohn) .

You know, that's not a bad idea. The only problem i see with it is that it's meant to be aircraft mounted, meaning theres no way to fit it to a turret (Too big to be used like a general purpose 20mm cannon)

Actually, it was powered by an air rammer, so it's a no-go any way you look at it.


View PostBlackhorse_Three, on Dec 15 2012 - 20:17, said:

That's because you are all witless gamers. Read some history, and keep it on the timeline.

*slow clap* And gentlemen we reach the issue with Blackhorse brand logic. "Historical accuracy" in a game that has virtually none of it (Unless you count having period-era equipment as "historically accurate".

It's a game, stop whining for more historical accuracy.

And since you probably wont see it, here, lemme make it more clear.

STOP. WHINING.

Edited by Billymays, Dec 15 2012 - 20:22.


n4cer67 #14 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:19

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Zamolxet #15 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:29

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Germans with a good all around gun?Are you nuts?

xiantom #16 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:31

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I can't believe this. But this thread isn't crap. I actually agree with the OP.

killswitch95 #17 Posted Dec 15 2012 - 20:33

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i like it +1

TalonV #18 Posted Dec 16 2012 - 03:46

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Not a bad idea, be nice cause the PzIII and 38na kinda get the screw job far as guns.

Love my PzIII, but between the crap L28 and the L50...kinda needs something else.