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Poll: RE: German Tank Conspiracy - The Solution (125 members have cast votes)

Do German Tanks Need to be Significantly Changed

  1. Yes (60 votes [48.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.00%

  2. No (65 votes [52.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.00%

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minim8greyhound #1 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 16:54

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This topic has been created in response to the "German Tank Conspiracy" topic.

The purpose of this topic is to solve this problem or consider it false. This could also be considered a survey...

I want all players who believe in the "conspiracy" to list German tanks that they consider purposely nerfed.

And explain:

1. Why they think it's underpowered when compared to other tanks IN-GAME
2. What buffs should be added to the tank(s) to make them balanced IN-GAME

I must emphasize that all reasons why any tank should be changed should BE BECAUSE OF THAT TANKS PERFORMANCE IN ACTUAL GAME PLAY AND NOT BECAUSE OF IT'S HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!!!!

Lazar_Lyusternik #2 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:03

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Ah, another one.

Accuracy is overrated, at least at these view ranges. My KV-1s can generally hit stationary targets at 400m, which is almost the edge of the view range. If I can do that with the most inaccurate 'normal' gun in the game, than I can do that within any other tank.

The German benefit of pen is nonexistent at higher tiers.
The VK3002DB desperately need some kind of buff, preferably a gun or armor slope.
Transmissions don't spontaneous combust on other tanks.

Harnisfechten #3 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:03

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View Postminim8greyhound, on Dec 20 2012 - 16:54, said:

I must emphasize that all reasons why any tank should be changed should BE BECAUSE OF THAT TANKS PERFORMANCE IN ACTUAL GAME PLAY AND NOT BECAUSE OF IT'S HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE!!!!

in that case, then no, german tanks don't need any significant changes. Maybe a couple of tanks have fallen behind and need buffs, but that's true for every nation in the game.

Fiend_73 #4 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:06

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Ever since WW2 the words "German" and "solution" should NEVER go together. ;)

Edited by Fiend_73, Dec 20 2012 - 17:06.


spy1309 #5 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:08

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Thats the case if u add word "final" in front of it.....what now you want to debate semantics and replace solution .....with resolution, or solving or.......

minim8greyhound #6 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:09

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View PostLazar_Lyusternik, on Dec 20 2012 - 17:03, said:

Ah, another one.

Accuracy is overrated, at least at these view ranges. My KV-1s can generally hit stationary targets at 400m, which is almost the edge of the view range. If I can do that with the most inaccurate 'normal' gun in the game, than I can do that within any other tank.

The German benefit of pen is nonexistent at higher tiers.
The VK3002DB desperately need some kind of buff, preferably a gun or armor slope.
Transmissions don't spontaneous combust on other tanks.

I would like to point out I am on neither side of this argument..In other words I wish to remain neutral.

View PostHarnisfechten, on Dec 20 2012 - 17:03, said:

in that case, then no, german tanks don't need any significant changes. Maybe a couple of tanks have fallen behind and need buffs, but that's true for every nation in the game.

That's my point! Historical significance of tanks is enjoyable and fun to talk about but it has nothing to do with how the tanks perform in-game so whether it is German, American, French, etc. all that really matters is whether the tank suffers in-game or not...

SolDust #7 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:23

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I play quite a few German tanks. lower tiers mostly, but they are some of my favorites.  I have been loving my newish Tiger P and my 3001P is one of my most favorites.  both of which have a WR in or around the 50% point.  now I'm not a super good player. but to me the German vehicles that I have experienced compete just as well as all my Russian stuff of equal tiers.
since I do mainly Russian and German stuff I have yet to see any sort of bias or purposeful nerf.  that said, there are certain tanks that could benefit from a buff, but that can also apply to may vehicles in a whole bunch of tiers and countries.

so no, I see no conspiracy from my experience.

minim8greyhound #8 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:36

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View PostSolDust, on Dec 20 2012 - 17:23, said:

I play quite a few German tanks. lower tiers mostly, but they are some of my favorites.  I have been loving my newish Tiger P and my 3001P is one of my most favorites.  both of which have a WR in or around the 50% point.  now I'm not a super good player. but to me the German vehicles that I have experienced compete just as well as all my Russian stuff of equal tiers.
since I do mainly Russian and German stuff I have yet to see any sort of bias or purposeful nerf.  that said, there are certain tanks that could benefit from a buff, but that can also apply to may vehicles in a whole bunch of tiers and countries.

so no, I see no conspiracy from my experience.

I feel exactly the same way, my favorite tanks are German I play mid to high tier German tanks (6-8)

Just as a note to everyone, If this conspiracy was true then theoretically there should be a flood of suggestions and reasons why this German tank and that German tank is underpowered compared to other tanks in-game and how it suffers...but there aren't very many...also, my poll shows that 60% of the people that have voted believe that German tanks don't need any significant changes.
I agree that some tanks may need buffing in the German tree but that is true of tanks of all nations (some more than others), but currently I would consider the "German Tank Conspiracy" false. No one can list a significant number of German tanks that suffer greatly in gameplay versus other tanks...

So my next topic will be on how overpowered the T59 is... :Smile_blinky:

Edited by minim8greyhound, Dec 20 2012 - 17:45.


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a lot of the Russian bias, German conspiracy stuff seems to have died down a bit.
complaints about countries and tanks only really happen when new trees come out or a line is re-done and the balance isnt perfect.  and since that hasnt really happened in a big way there hasn't been a lot of it as of late.  i expect to see lots of moaning come the new german TD's, the Chinese tree , and especially the eventual arty shift to tier 10...

PanzerKriegen39 #10 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 17:59

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OMG will they ever stop?! What about the French's paper thin armor that HE shells from a Hetzer will destroy?

minim8greyhound #11 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 18:02

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I will say a tank that needs SERIOUS change is the amx40...

I would suggest giving that tank a higher penetration, less damage gun for when it's placed into matches with tier 6's...because in matches with any tank above its tier it gets powned...

Edited by minim8greyhound, Dec 20 2012 - 18:03.


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The AMX 40 owns, I have a 70% win rate in it without platooning.

And the stats for German tanks are fine. Some tanks are a bit lacking in oomph, but you can say that for every nation.

Camels #13 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 21:54

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Not a conspiracy, just plain simple power creep

lbtank #14 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 22:01

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MY biggest "beef" is the "engine fires from hitting the transmission" thing...  I can see it causing a lack of engine power/ tracks knocked out, but an engine fire? :Smile_sceptic:

KilgorSoS #15 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 22:10

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After parking my beloved E100 for so long, and scoffing at the series of minor buffs, etc. I desided to bring it out of moth balls after the gold/silver ammo became available...

Well, Sorry, bias fans, but my beloved E100 is once again beloved, and it can smash and despoil as good as ever. Now the fact that I NEED to run HEAT all the time, is annoying, but is quite doable.

Now that there is confirmation that arty will recieve a tight cap limit at tier10..the door has opened for German Steel to once again ROLL WITH THUNDER!

Or you can keep crying like little babies, and ignore the open door.

ThatCrackRockSteadyBeat #16 Posted Dec 20 2012 - 22:15

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panther line is op

fix nothing

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Really the biggest, and maybe only problem is this frontal engine fire BS... That needs to go

Either the trasmission needs to not catch fire or it needs to be its own seperate module from the engine, maybe a hit transmission could screw up acceleration or turning ability? But it shouldn't set the tank ablaze every other timey you take a round to the lower glacias...

Edited by Shadow717, Dec 20 2012 - 22:19.


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The only change that should happen is German tanks being removed entirely from the game just to shut up the whiners, as a last resort.

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View PostShadow717, on Dec 20 2012 - 22:17, said:

Really the biggest, and maybe only problem is this frontal engine fire BS... That needs to go

Either the trasmission needs to not catch fire or it needs to be its own seperate module from the engine, maybe a hit transmission could screw up acceleration or turning ability? But it shouldn't set the tank ablaze every other timey you take a round to the lower glacias...

The transmission is full of wonderfully flammable fluids, why shouldn't it catch fire? Besides, Soviet transmissions catch fire just the same, no bias here.

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I don't think people realize that transmissions are full of gears spinning at very high speeds surrounded by hydraulic fluid and gear oil under high pressure, and that sending an AP round in to one could do all sorts of wonderful things, not the least of which involves sending the driveshaft on a magical adventure through the engine casing.