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Why isn't the FCM36 PaK40 counted as the Marder I?

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BGBNDR #1 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:01

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Hi, ya'll! After lurking this place for heaven-knows-how-long, I decided to make my first topic! So, as asked in the title, why is the FCM36 PaK40 a French tank destroyer instead of German? Wikipedia does state that the FCMs were converted into Marder Is by the Germans in 1943! Take a look at the picture below!

Leave your answers/guesses in the comments! ^-^
http://ww2drawings.j...40-FCM36/p1.jpg

Dodge_The_Bullet #2 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:02

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Because it is german but french captured

it may be the other way around even

BGBNDR #3 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:03

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...Crap, I meant "isn't". Not "is". >.>
Edit: There, fixed.

Edited by BGBNDR, Dec 27 2012 - 03:52.


rivit #4 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:06

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I guess because the French  TD line needs it more than the Germans.

RyanGetzIaf #5 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:12

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Because they release a ''french'' TD and arty the patch before the complete line

MisterPatriot #6 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 01:35

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View PostDodge_The_Bullet, on Dec 27 2012 - 01:02, said:

Because it is german but french captured

it may be the other way around even

It is used by Vichy French.

DRAGONFIRE_Sr #7 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 02:16

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Maybe its due to the fact that it is a french TD that the Germans captured and used as their own with its PanzerJager name.
You seem to have your answer in your post too:
Wikipedia does state that the FCMs were converted into Marder Is by the Germans in 1943!

BGBNDR #8 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 03:49

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View PostDRAGONFIRE_Sr, on Dec 27 2012 - 02:16, said:

Maybe its due to the fact that it is a french TD that the Germans captured and used as their own with its PanzerJager name.
You seem to have your answer in your post too:
Wikipedia does state that the FCMs were converted into Marder Is by the Germans in 1943!

...I believe that you misunderstood. The original tanks were FCM 36s. Article is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCM_36 Said FCMs were captured once France fell, and were converted into tank destroyers. Hence the Panzerjager FCM 36s/Marder Is. Also, because proofreading is for nerds, I botched the topic's title. .-.
Edit: But now it's fine! Muah! :V

Edited by BGBNDR, Dec 27 2012 - 03:58.


lock_jaw #9 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 04:08

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The tank destroyer, as it exists in game in its configuration was NEVER used by France.

The FCM36 was a captures french TANK, not tank destroyer. The Germans after capturing France decided to use many of the French vehicles in their own army. Some of these were acceptable as they were, but some they decided were only useful if converted into tank destroyers, thus, the Marder program was initiated. In this they took several french tanks, including the FCM36's and made new vehicles out of this.

The FCM36 Pak40 as its called in game, but known in history as the Geschützwagen FCM(f), aka Marder I ausf FCM(f) (Sd.Kfz. 135) was one such machine.

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VRMoran #10 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 04:11

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Valid question i suppose. While based on a French chassis, the FCM36 is a German design through and through. The gun itself is obviously German, although I believe the hull was a Hotchkiss?

My only guess is that it was to cut a break to the French, in order to give them a premium TD for when that patch came out.

lock_jaw #11 Posted Dec 27 2012 - 04:23

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Nah the hull is from a FCM36. They did made other Marder I's on Hotchkiss hulls too though.

This is an FCM36

http://maquettegarde...es/FCM36 02.JPG

Necrophore #12 Posted Jan 07 2013 - 21:58

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One thing that always bugged me was how WG flip-flops on captured or sold tanks. Two of the early French tanks are only available as German premiums, and both of the first two French premiums were German (re)built tanks after the fall of France. WG made a statement about getting rid of captured tanks, then proceeded to introduce even more with the French lines.

I'd suggest a prisoner exchange, sending the Hotchkiss and Somua back to France and moving the Marder I and leFH18B2 back to Germany. The "captured" issue could be fixed by adding German or Vichy camo patterns and insignia as options for pre-1940 French tanks.

It's not just the Germans and French, either. The Locust may have started as a US design, but was only used by the British. The Ram II is a Candian armored unit (with a Ram I body in game). The Wolverine was what the British named their copies of the M10. If they can make up an entire based on borrowed designs for the Chinese, they should be able to get some of the existing tanks into the right trees as well.





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