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jeubs #1 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:36

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Hey all,

Just got my VK3601H the other day and I'm lovin' it.

I'm trying to plan ahead on what tank I should get next. The VK leads to the Tiger I and the VK3002(DB).

I've been reading a lot of threads saying that the Tiger I does not live up to it's expectations in the game. On the other hand, I have seen people say the VK3002(DB) isn't that quite good either :L.

In your own opinion, what should my next step be? Get the VK3002(DB) so I can grind it and get the Panther? Or get the Tiger I and continue up that line?

Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR ;D

Legiondude #2 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:40

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People complain about the Tiger H because it doesn't live to that Historic Doom beast that makes all the weedle Shermans wail in fear of it's OMGROFLPWN gun

Once elited, I love this thing. Use it as my prime moneymaker

cozza55 #3 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:40

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I went DB, it's not a great stock grind. The tiger stock grind is VEERY BAD but once it's elite it's a great little tank.

DB isn't a very good tank fullstop but it is a shortcut to the panther (I did it)

Tolos #4 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:42

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Both the Tiger and the DB are FAR from being noob friendly, but a good player win them will do well, it all depends on which line you want to grind to be honest.

The reason people " hate " the Tiger is because they have played games like CoH where the Tiger is godly, and they expect it to rickroll everything in WoT also

Romochka #5 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:44

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I have completed all of the German lines, besides artillery. You are correct, neither of those tanks are particularly good. Both are easily killed by their commie counterparts. (i have never won in a duel, Tiger VS IS, and i have never lost an IS VS Tiger) What is more important to think about is the top-tier tanks. I am sure most will agree with me when i say the E50m is vastly superior to the E100. (everything is superior to the E100)
So i would recomend the medium line for that reason.

Not only that, the upcoming second German medium line starts from the DB, if you wanted the leopard-1  :Smile_great:

Edited by Romochka, Jan 01 2013 - 12:52.


Kilroy357 #6 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:49

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If you leroy jenkins in the tiger expecting to kick the ass of everything in front of you...well, you're going to get your ass handed to you. Angle your armor at all times, try to do more damage than you take, and it's a good tank.

Nymous #7 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:50

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One thing to remember about the Tiger is that it is great at long range with the top gun. It's ok close in with same tier and lower tanks but not so much with higher tier tanks. Get it elited and learn it's quirks and it can be a lot of fun.

People get the impression the Tiger is death incarnate because historically it fought mainly Shermans and T34s which were outgunned and under armored compared to the Tiger. In this game it has to go up against much heavier tanks in matches than it ever did historically.

Tolos #8 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:51

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View PostRomochka, on Jan 01 2013 - 12:44, said:

I have completed all of the German lines, besides artillery. You are correct, neither of those tanks are particularly good. Both are easily killed by their commie counterparts. (i have never won in a duel, Tiger VS IS, and i have never lost an IS VS Tiger) What is more important to think about is the top-tier tanks. I am sure most will agree with me when i say the E50m is vastly superior to the E100. (everything is superior to the E100)
So i would recomend the medium line for that reason.

Sorry but this is your fault, not the Tiger'

Also the E100 is a fantastic tank in the hands of someone that knows how to use it, and currently its probably one of the best tier 10 tanks in game

_Goliard #9 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 12:56

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You have less than 1000 battles, my honest advice would be to switch to the Soviet heavy tank line.

If you really want to play German tanks, go down the Tiger line. They're a bit more forgiving than the German medium tanks.

Millbarge #10 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:04

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Between those 2 tanks i much prefer the Tiger H...

however a lot of your decision needs to be based on what tanks you want in the future...

so basically it comes down to whether you want Medium or Heavy Tanks or Both.

Romochka #11 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:25

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View PostTolos, on Jan 01 2013 - 12:51, said:

Sorry but this is your fault, not the Tiger'

Also the E100 is a fantastic tank in the hands of someone that knows how to use it, and currently its probably one of the best tier 10 tanks in game

My fault that tigers loose to my IS 95% of the time?
Why do we not look at my statistics?

Tiger:
Games: 136
Wins: 46%
Kills: 79
Damage: 67,517
Average XP: 350

IS:
Games: 70
Wins: 59%
Kills: 97
Damage: 67,804
Average XP: 729

I'll admit, i dont have many games in my IS (the only reason i got it was to prove this fact to myself) but how do you explain these vastly different statistics for tanks that are supposed to be equals? Do i just become a much better player every time i use my IS? Clearly my skill is not the issue.

Oh, i would also like to add that my hit ratio in my Tiger (who's main advantage is supposed to be it's accurate gun) is 71%, whereas my IS's hit ratio is 78%

The E100 is fine, apart from the fact it has 0 frontal armor and the worst Tier 10 gun.

Tolos #12 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:30

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Ever thought that maybe you're just bad in the Tiger ??

Im bad in some tanks, but that does not mean the tank itself is bad

As for the E100, the HP pool and the 750 damage alone make it a fantastic tier 10, add to that the fact that now it can have at least SOME premium ammo, and it because a great tank in the right hands

Romochka #13 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:37

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View PostTolos, on Jan 01 2013 - 13:30, said:

Ever thought that maybe you're just bad in the Tiger ??

Im bad in some tanks, but that does not mean the tank itself is bad

As for the E100, the HP pool and the 750 damage alone make it a fantastic tier 10, add to that the fact that now it can have at least SOME premium ammo, and it because a great tank in the right hands

I dont understand how i could be bad at "a" tank? Tanks of the same tier and class are supposed to be equals, are they not?

danredda1616 #14 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:41

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Get both. Eventually the DB will lead to the 2nd medium line (ending with the Leopard 1).

Tolos #15 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:42

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View PostRomochka, on Jan 01 2013 - 13:37, said:

I dont understand how i could be bad at "a" tank? Tanks of the same tier and class are supposed to be equals, are they not?

If you cannot work this out, im not going to even bother trying, because you will not understand

Dogface_GI #16 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:43

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If you like the VK3601(H), neither of these tanks is an improved version of the the VK3601(H).

I loved the VK3601(H).
I hated the Tiger and TigerII, their slow speed did not seem to be compensated for with gun or armor.
The VK3002(DB) was an easy grind and a short hop to the Panther, which is a good sniper, with the top gun. But, I am not going any further up that line.

As always, whether you like a tank depends on your play style. Determine what your play-style is (HT, MT, LT, SPG), and then ask around which are the best tanks in that type.

Also, you have to consider whether you want to grind past these two tanks to a tier ten in that tech-line. Do not waste time grinding above tier six, if you haven't figured out where you are going!

Romochka #17 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:44

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View PostTolos, on Jan 01 2013 - 13:42, said:

If you cannot work this out, im not going to even bother trying, because you will not understand

If two tanks are played at the same level of skill and one does vastly better than the other, the only logical conclusion is that this tank is superior.

Edited by Romochka, Jan 01 2013 - 13:46.


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View PostRomochka, on Jan 01 2013 - 13:44, said:

If two tanks are played at the same level of skill and one does vastly better than the other, the only logical conclusion is that that tank is superior.

Ok I will try

If I like mobile brawler tanks, then im going to enjoy the IS as it matches my play style, however the Tiger does not match this play style and as such is not played as effectively.
If I like Sniper tanks, then im going to enjoy the Tiger as it matches my play style, however the IS cannot do this effectively and as such suffers because its not being played to its strength

Get it now ?

Otto_von_Boris #19 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:49

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View Postdanredda1616, on Jan 01 2013 - 13:41, said:

Get both. Eventually the DB will lead to the 2nd medium line (ending with the Leopard 1).

This is why I repurchased the VK3601 a few days ago, to unlock the VK3002(DB) that leads to the new German medium line.

bluepiglet #20 Posted Jan 01 2013 - 13:58

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View Postjeubs, on Jan 01 2013 - 12:36, said:

Hey all,

Just got my VK3601H the other day and I'm lovin' it.

I'm trying to plan ahead on what tank I should get next. The VK leads to the Tiger I and the VK3002(DB).

I've been reading a lot of threads saying that the Tiger I does not live up to it's expectations in the game. On the other hand, I have seen people say the VK3002(DB) isn't that quite good either :L.

In your own opinion, what should my next step be? Get the VK3002(DB) so I can grind it and get the Panther? Or get the Tiger I and continue up that line?

Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR ;D

3002 and you end up with TD's aka German medium tanks.

Get the tiger you will eventually have the most popular arty food - the Maus

It's your call.