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StrelaCarbon #1281 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:17

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Could somebody please explain to me in simple terms what the "R.43" is, where it would go, and give the sources for the information?

StrelaCarbon #1282 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:29

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View PostLife_In_Black, on Jul 02 2013 - 20:55, said:

I think it would be quite similar in performance to the other Tier 5 derp guns in the game like the ones on the Pz.Kpfw. IV and M4 Sherman.

My thought is that it will be somewhere between one of the derp guns and the French 105mm Mle. 1930 S. If we assume the 100mm penetration value was from 500 meters, I think we're looking at 120-140mm pen at 100 meters.

Nevermind, thought you were talking about the 105/32.

Edited by StrelaCarbon, Jul 02 2013 - 22:31.


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View PostStrelaCarbon, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:17, said:

Could somebody please explain to me in simple terms what the "R.43" is, where it would go, and give the sources for the information?
What it is

its a fake tank dreamt up by Imperator_Gallogrecia
and its based of a picture made by some guy in paint.
(the basic idea presented in the picture is a p43bis with a 105mm gun and torison bar suspension)

where it would go

supposedly tier 9 heavy tank
although it is not fit to be a heavy tank or to be a tier 9 without major buffs to the gun, engine and armour

sources for the information?

Imperator Gallogrecia´s misinterpretation of this picture
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Imperator_Gallogrecia #1284 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:31

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View PostStrelaCarbon, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:17, said:

Could somebody please explain to me in simple terms what the "R.43" is, where it would go, and give the sources for the information?
it is a upgraded P43.bis, it is probably more heavier (assumtion). it is supossed to have a 90mm and 105mm spg gun, it would go as are tier 9 med. against this are life in black and sp15 who say it is just the P43.bis

it would be on the light side of tier 9 meds on par with american,french,chinese and i think british on armour it would be the speed of a light and guns of a reg tier 9, its armour would look somewhat modern like a mix between a centurion mk 1 and the P43.bis
citation is on pg 55-56

here is what i think it is
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in comparison with the P43 and P43.bis
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it would be more wider and lower to the ground,the turret would be shorter but the hull bigger
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its play style would be to the effect of a centurion mk1 or mk 3 but faster
notice the 18 there? does that mean its the 18th try maybe?

Edited by Imperator_Gallogrecia, Jul 02 2013 - 22:34.


Imperator_Gallogrecia #1285 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:40

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P43.bis


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Imperator_Gallogrecia #1286 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:41

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another p43.bis even more clear difference

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notice the 19. there? that is the second model is what the caption says

Edited by Imperator_Gallogrecia, Jul 02 2013 - 22:42.


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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:31, said:

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its play style would be to the effect of a centurion mk1 or mk 3 but faster
notice the 18 there? does that mean its the 18th try maybe?

That picture also says "design of the P.43 (28 April 1943), 1:74 scale." It doesn't seem like a totally separate design, just a variant of P.43.

I read the stuff on Pg.55-56, there was a link (translated from Russian) that also mentioned an "R.26." This leads me to believe that the "P" was being mistranslated as an "R." I don't know Russian, but they have a different alphabet and it was probably just a translation mistake.

Imperator_Gallogrecia #1288 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:43

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linking this to read later
http://www.resboiu.r...ncuri-italiene/

sp15 #1289 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:43

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P.43
basicly a P.40 with a 90mm gun and commanders cupola
In this pic its in the middle next to a panther (right) and a P.40 (left)
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P.43 bis
radical redesign of the P.43 made in late 1943.
roughly a equivliant of the german panther with a bigger gun

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Edited by sp15, Jul 02 2013 - 22:47.


StrelaCarbon #1290 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:45

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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:41, said:

another p43.bis even more clear difference

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notice the 19. there? that is the second model is what the caption says

That caption actually says "The 1:10 scale model of the last Italian tank of the second world war."

Vollketten #1291 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:52

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While thinking about that then this is the size of the breach of the 75mm howitzer (75/18)
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from a wrecked Semovente found in a hole in Rimini in 200 and now restored.

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The Italian caption says that this had an adaption made by the Germans called the 'nebbiogeno' on the right side of the hull rear. Google translate cant translate it but nebbio is fog or some such.

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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:43, said:

linking this to read later
http://www.resboiu.r...ncuri-italiene/
didnt bring any new info

Life_In_Black #1293 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 22:54

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View PostStrelaCarbon, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:45, said:

That caption actually says "The 1:10 scale model of the last Italian tank of the second world war."

That's because it was the last tank Italy designed during the war. We don't hear anything regarding Italy and tanks after the P.43bis until the Experimental upgrades of the M47 Patton, and the participation in the Europanzer project.

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View PostVollketten, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:52, said:

While thinking about that then this is the size of the breach of the 75mm howitzer (75/18)
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from a wrecked Semovente found in a hole in Rimini in 200 and now restored.

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The Italian caption says that this had an adaption made by the Germans called the 'nebbiogeno' on the right side of the hull rear. Google translate cant translate it but nebbio is fog or some such.

Probably a smoke grenade function of some sort.

Or some sort of smoke device. I thought it was referring to the gun having such a device.

Edited by Life_In_Black, Jul 02 2013 - 22:56.


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Update on the Pz.III and IV turret ring diameters:

http://forum.axishis...73bb111f259f3db

Now what was the turret ring diameter of the M14/41, M15/42, CMC and Celere Sahariano?

sp15 #1296 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:00

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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:57, said:

Update on the Pz.III and IV turret ring diameters:

http://forum.axishis...73bb111f259f3db

Now what was the turret ring diameter of the M14/41, M15/42, CMC and Celere Sahariano?
well the cmc probobly has the same turret ring diameter as the M14/41 as it was made using one.
and due to the fact it (cmc) and the saharaino has the same turret id guess they have the same diameter aswell

Edited by sp15, Jul 02 2013 - 23:03.


Slakrrrrrr #1297 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:08

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View Postsp15, on Jul 02 2013 - 23:00, said:

well the cmc probobly has the same turret ring diameter as the M14/41 as it was made using one.
and due to the fact it (cmc) and the saharaino has the same turret id guess they have the same diameter aswell
That's exactly what I thought, but what is the diameter of the turret rings?!?!

You would think they would have interchangeable turrets simply because of how closely allied they were (close enough to screw up Barbarossa at least!).

sp15 #1298 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:11

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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Jul 02 2013 - 22:31, said:

here is what i think it is
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that picture comes from a modding website for some game(i cant remember what game. but in the one lower pics somebody is showing of the turret they modeled on the picture

seriously the above picture is just a turned and cropped verison of the P.43bis schematic

for comparison
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conclusion there is no differance
and he never had any source to begin with.
do you see what i mean with "wildly speculate"

Edited by sp15, Jul 02 2013 - 23:13.


sp15 #1299 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:21

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View PostSlakrrrrrr, on Jul 02 2013 - 23:08, said:

That's exactly what I thought, but what is the diameter of the turret rings?!?!

You would think they would have interchangeable turrets simply because of how closely allied they were (close enough to screw up Barbarossa at least!).
seems like i can find everything but the turret ring diameter for it

StrelaCarbon #1300 Posted Jul 02 2013 - 23:33

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So what exactly was the S.149/12?




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