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Vollketten #3701 Posted Jan 03 2014 - 14:10

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Even -12 is pretty comfortable.

rivit #3702 Posted Jan 03 2014 - 19:48

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View Postrivit, on Oct 06 2013 - 12:14, said:


FTR earlier this year (gave me the imopression) that Captured Tanks in a tech tree were basically being dispensed with but from FTR 4/10/13"
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"- it’s not guaranteed that all nations will have captured tanks, but SerB will try to give them to each nation".
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I dont want to go back in and edit in a couple of captured tanks into the tree as possible examples but I will leave the captured vehicles below the tree for reference.

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As far as captured tanks, I was at the mall yesterday and since they seem to begin to start celebrating Christmas earlier and earlier each year, they had a mall Santa (the real Santa, honest) taking toy requests from a bunch of kids. As I passed by, I overheard a rather sickly looking kid with glasses ask " For Christmas, all I want is a M13/40 with 47mm cannon, Fiat V8 diesel SPA 8 125 HP engine, Kangaroo emblem, and a stock radio."
Unfortunately, Santa said "you'll slip a track kid". and nudged him in the head with his Santa boot, causing the kid to begin spiraling down a winding mall slide. * True story, honest. :smile:
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Fm.100564                                                                                                        St. Nick

Dear Serb, Grinch, Santa,

Thanks for giving me a bag of rocks in my stocking for Christmas.

No friggin M13/40 with a 47mm cannon, Fiat v8 diesal SPA 8 125 hp engine, kangaroo emblem and a stock radio for me...sniff,sniff

I don't want no christmas, no more.


Edited by rivit, Jan 03 2014 - 19:51.


Vollketten #3703 Posted Jan 03 2014 - 20:44

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Were you on the naughty list and didn't know?

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I see from FTR today that they still cannot make their mind up about a separate or integrated Italian tree. 



rivit #3704 Posted Jan 03 2014 - 21:15

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View PostVollketten, on Jan 03 2014 - 14:44, said:

Were you on the naughty list and didn't know?

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I see from FTR today that they still cannot make their mind up about a separate or integrated Italian tree. 

Impossibru, my brother once told me I could be mean all year long, as long as I was nice the night before Christmas!

Not to mention the fact that I was good all year long. Not bad once, no way, no how.:eyesup:

 

Separate, integrated, I wish the boobs would make up their minds. 

 

  


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Vollketten #3705 Posted Jan 04 2014 - 04:59

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Remember this back from page 150?

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From: http://digilander.li...s/carpaneto.htm
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To Carpaneto lfredo was born in Rome on September 18, 1939 January 4, 1915 and enlisted in the Wehrmacht, at the 4th company of Panzer Ersatz Regiment 4.
He knows that the April 3, 1940 jump to 7th Company of Panzer Regiment and 4 October 22, 1942 to 1st Company of the same Regiment.
On 1 April 1943, the 4th company of the PCs 4 Regiment and the 8th company of the PCs 3 Regiment is transferred at Sennelager to go to form the nucleus of a new battalion of heavy tanks.
With a dated May 10, 1943 transfer order shall be sent to the 2nd Company of Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 Heavy Tank Battalion, (created in the meantime  May 25, 1942 at Bamberg), where takes command of a chariot with the rank of Obergefreiter the March 4, 1944.
The October 10, 1944 Carpaneto company receives the transfer order via train to the eastern front, but on the way (at Memel) convoy suffers an accident that prevents the continuation (the locomotive collides with a second convoy and exits the Rails). The location of rail wagons prevents unloading of vehicles from armored convoy and only a Bergepanther and a Tiger can be brought on the ground. 
By the end of the day will be only two Tiger (one is the company commander and the second is to Lebanon), while for others it will wait for the arrival of the special means of genius.
The two media also receive orders to move yourself in the Truschellen area, South of to Karlshof support defensive actions of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 209 engaged in combat against the Russians. 
Shortly before arriving at their destination, however, the company commander's tank was hit and destroyed while Carpaneto, managed to disengage against superior forces perform a reconnaissance of the area in order to ascertain the actual texture of attacking enemy forces.
Recorded about 13 t. 34 tanks marching to attack the flank of the regiment of grenadiers, Armored Carpaneto hires battle alone and destroyed 4 enemy tanks with anti-tank grenades 6 sunshine of his Tiger. 
Other Russian Media 9, perhaps afraid to face much larger forces of a single Tiger, retire. At the end of the day you'll find that that alone saved the entire action taken in front held by German infantry.
The January 26, 1945 Carpaneto found within the Kampfgruppe Rinke (by the name of lieutenant commanding the Tiger group) at the village of Kadgiehen, which operates in collaboration with the Kampfgruppe Bernhard.
The unit puts his part means the entry of the village, at the West exit (among them figure his Tiger). 
Shortly thereafter, sighted a group of Carpaneto t. 34 Russians approaching along the road that comes from Konisberg and enters immediately into action and destroyed 2 enemy vehicles. When it reaches from the rest of the Group Rinke, he has already destroyed other Russian tanks 4.
Become indefensible position, Carpaneto tries to fall back toward the opposite side of town, but the layer of ice that covered a small body of water that is transiting yields and the Tiger at the moment is immobilized. Being the only 1.2 m deep pond, Carpaneto still managed to be speeded the 88 mm piece of his wagon hitting other 2 t. 34 before the Soviets withdraw.
Throughout the fighting, the Germans destroy all over 15 Russian tanks, of which 8 affected by our compatriot.
On the same day, called able her to continue running Tiger, Carpaneto intervenes in support of Fusilier Battaillon 58 at Gross-Blumenau, where his chariot is centered and destroyed by anti-tank fire. In the explosion of Carpaneto Tiger loses his life.
Proposed for the Knight's cross by his commander on March 16, 1945, will receive posthumous as the September 28, enriching his palmares of decorations which counts, in addition to the Knight's cross, the iron cross 1st and 2nd class, the badge for armoured and Ostmedaille assaults. 
In the special ranking of the axes of the Tiger, Carpaneto occupies the 28th position,(ed: not getting involving in the 'kill's issue with Nazi propoganda but he is on the list somewhere)  with more than 50 victories credited.
Kill rankings listed at http://www.das-ritte...le&session=1081
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He is listed here; as well:
http://www.alanhamby.com/aces.shtml
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IF it is correct then Carpaneto's Medal could be for:
-Destruction of Four or more T-34 (Soviet and Chinese) tanks in a single battle in a Tiger tank.
-Destruction of 50th T-34 (see above) in a Tiger Tank.
or another option I guess. Suggestions anyone?
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There may be more information in Tigers in Combat-vol. 1 ' by Wolfgang Schneider. but I don't have a copy to verify this.

Well I just finished Tiger in Combat by Wolfgang Schneider which has reproduced the unit diary of Schwere Panzer Abteilunt 502:

19/04/44 - [attacking bridgehead at Krivasso] "The lead tank (Unteroffizier Carpenato) runs over a mine and has to be pushed into the marshy terrain"

10/10/44 - "The Tiger of Unteroffizier Carpenato attacks a group of 13 tanks and knocks out 4"

25/01/45 - "2.Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 ordered to move to the northeast. Handicapped by track damage, Carpenato's Tiger lags two hours behind and destroys 15 T-34/85's and JS-2's near Kadgiehen"

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Awards: 

Unteroffizier Alfredo Carpenato - Knights Cross awarded 15/3/44

Feldwebel Alfredo Carpenato - Knights Cross awarded 28/3/48 Kills creditted in unit diary are 50.

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It's nice to finally pin something down and verify something firmly. 

 



rivit #3706 Posted Jan 04 2014 - 17:22

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^They could make a nice medal for that. I wonder how many JS-2s he destroyed?

Vollketten #3707 Posted Jan 06 2014 - 18:51

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couple of new pictures of the CV.3 da 47/32 .

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rivit #3708 Posted Jan 06 2014 - 19:59

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I found this Youtube video of the M11/39

 

Although I can't wait to play the M13-14 series, I think the M11 is going to be a challenge to play because of the hull mounted 37 mm gun. At least the M3 Lee packs a punch for its tier. The one thing the M11/39 has over the Lee is that its profile isn't that large. I think I'm going to play this as a scout and let other tanks engage what I find and later I'll help mop up as a flanker. I've grown fond of provoking other tanks into attacking me and tricking them into some friendly TD guns. Unlike the M3 Lee, I don't think It will make a good TD or sniper.

I'm not worried about its speed, since I've had no real problems scouting in the Valentine or D2. I've found that 20 mph really isn't bad and you can still get to where you need to go in a reasonable amount of time.



Vollketten #3709 Posted Jan 07 2014 - 20:27

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From todays FTR:

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- the fact Chi-Ha is a light tank in the Chinese tree and medium in the Japanese tree is caused by the fact that both armies classified it differently historically (the Japanese Chi-Ha doesn’t have the LT camo bonus though)

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So the Army's classification is what counts for tree design. Italian army say P40 is a heavy; its a heavy. There we go then.



sp15 #3710 Posted Jan 07 2014 - 21:30

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View PostVollketten, on Jan 07 2014 - 19:27, said:

From todays FTR:

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- the fact Chi-Ha is a light tank in the Chinese tree and medium in the Japanese tree is caused by the fact that both armies classified it differently historically (the Japanese Chi-Ha doesn’t have the LT camo bonus though)

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So the Army's classification is what counts for tree design. Italian army say P40 is a heavy; its a heavy. There we go then.


well i think that was more of a oversight and the only reason the japanese chi ha is a med is due to daigensui´s involvement.

and even if that is not the case we still have tanks like the T30, T18 and T57 (not the heavy) which are in the wrong role.

the only way i see the italian med line working as heavy tanks would be to move them all down at least one tier, and ending the line at tier 6.

that would leve you with a gap that you wouldnt be able to fill with currently known tanks (if you dont want to cram in some meds at the end of a heavy line)

 

i think it is best for the sake of a coherent line to classify the tanks according to their characteristics rather than the obselite naming convention.

heck if i followed that there would be no swedish medium tanks before the Strv 103A since according to conventions there was either light tanks like the Strv m38 or heavy tanks like the Strv m/42. Of course in reality the Strv m/42 much like the Italian counterpart (P.40) is best suited for the tier 5 medium role.

 

I honestly think it is best to just produce one coherent medium tank line, since we know that this can reach at least tier 8-9, the Medio series should also be turned into light tanks in my opinion.



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View PostVollketten, on Jan 07 2014 - 14:27, said:

From todays FTR:

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- the fact Chi-Ha is a light tank in the Chinese tree and medium in the Japanese tree is caused by the fact that both armies classified it differently historically (the Japanese Chi-Ha doesn’t have the LT camo bonus though)

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So the Army's classification is what counts for tree design. Italian army say P40 is a heavy; its a heavy. There we go then.

 

Considering one of your first responses to Zarax over in The Shop, I find this post extremely hypocritical and ludicrous.



Vollketten #3712 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 03:39

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I was making a personal observation regarding a comment made in a public forum about how tanks are tiered based on the usage made of them by the army at the time. Nothing else.

Daigensui #3713 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 08:11

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View Postsp15, on Jan 07 2014 - 12:30, said:

well i think that was more of a oversight and the only reason the japanese chi ha is a med is due to daigensui´s involvement.

 

That was decided before I got involved, and frankly a comprehensive look shows Chi-Ha was for all purposes a medium tank.

 

 

View Postsp15, on Jan 07 2014 - 12:30, said:

and even if that is not the case we still have tanks like the T30, T18 and T57 (not the heavy) which are in the wrong role.

 

Can't really speak much about the American tree, but I believe it's part balance and part research problem.

 

 

View Postsp15, on Jan 07 2014 - 12:30, said:

i think it is best for the sake of a coherent line to classify the tanks according to their characteristics rather than the obselite naming convention.

 

WG looks at more than simple designation. There is the logic of the branch and the way the vehicle was used to consider.



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View PostVollketten, on Jan 01 2014 - 19:05, said:

some pictures for the new year.

AB 41's on parade. Very handsome vehicle

and on anti-partisan duties by the Germans

 

Pity WG won't give us armoured cars because they are mean and hate freedom.



Shrike58 #3715 Posted Jan 08 2014 - 14:15

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View PostDracoArgentum, on Jan 08 2014 - 06:21, said:

 

Pity WG won't give us armoured cars because they are mean and hate freedom.

 

There are issues with the current game engine that make it difficult for WG to do credible wheels, but these have supposedly been overcome with the arrival of Havok.  However, the only use for an armored car in this game would be as a pure passive scout and relatively few people enjoy that style of pay.


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From: "Handbook of Enemy Ammunition" 1943, UK

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From: "Handbook of Enemy Ammunition" 1943, UK

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Listed as HE but from design this is a HEAT shell.

As used in the 20mm Solothurn also used by Italy.



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i was looking trough the 1941 documents that lead to the devcelopment of the Strv m/42 and i found something interesting

"a offer from agust 1940 for buying italian 14 ton tanks was rejected, due to not being suited for Swedish conditions"

 

i just thought it was a interesting piece of information



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Does it say why they weren't suitable?

Either fuel system prone to freezing or something like that?

A 14 ton tank in 1940 sounds interesting as well. I'd like to know more if there is more to know.



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View PostVollketten, on Jan 09 2014 - 16:53, said:

Does it say why they weren't suitable?

Either fuel system prone to freezing or something like that?

A 14 ton tank in 1940 sounds interesting as well. I'd like to know more if there is more to know.


sadly i already told you all it said






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