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Vollketten #4641 Posted Mar 07 2014 - 21:16

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An Isotta Fraschini Tank project probably 1930's - publication in Russian, year not known, name of project not known

could someone who knows Russian please provide a verbatim translation of the limited text.?


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Imperator_Gallogrecia #4642 Posted Mar 07 2014 - 21:48

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View Postrivit, on Mar 07 2014 - 14:28, said:

I check this thread every day. Soon I'll be ducking out for awhile to move, but I'll be back most likely with another name.

I read your Fiat 3000 article. It was entertaining to read and I could detect your efforts to keep from hurling at the thought of having another FT-17 clone in the game. Which would have set off a chain reaction as I would have hurled next. Then, you know, remember the movie Stand By Me.....chain reaction.   

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Vollketten #4643 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 00:09

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Offical British Military medical report from examination of combat casualties in the Western Desert:

-MRC Report BPC 161 9th December 1941



Vollketten #4644 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 00:12

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View PostVollketten, on Mar 07 2014 - 14:16, said:

An Isotta Fraschini Tank project probably 1930's - publication in Russian, year not known, name of project not known

could someone who knows Russian please provide a verbatim translation of the limited text.?

Probably connected to these designs from the late 1920's and early 1930's from an earlier post.

 

Armstrong-Siddeley-Pavesi 1932         8x8

 

Armstrong-Siddeley-Pavesi (B10E1) 1929     8x4

articulated hull with driver and engine in front half and gunner in rear half. Exposed bogie suspension, bullet shaped bonnet.

4.7 x 2.34 x 1.63


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Imperator_Gallogrecia #4645 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 03:35

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does anyone know if there where multiple different hulls the m11/39 used i"ve been 3d animating it recently and im noticing multiple conflicting rear engine compartment and frontal hull differences

 



Vollketten #4646 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 03:50

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post on page 231 lists all 6 possibilities you may be after

Imperator_Gallogrecia #4647 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 05:06

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thanks :)

 

 

edit you may want to consider using some of those hulls some of them have extra armour embeeded inside in the rear


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Vollketten #4648 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 15:37

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View PostVollketten, on Mar 07 2014 - 14:16, said:

An Isotta Fraschini Tank project probably 1930's - publication in Russian, year not known, name of project not known

could someone who knows Russian please provide a verbatim translation of the limited text.?

 

LoooSeR78V informs me that it says 'Tank Tanksporter by Isotta Fraschini'

-I take the mulitple ports to mean an armoured transport for infantry which basically makes it exactly the same intent as the first British 'tanks' of 1915 before the armoured transport of infantry fell out of favour for a few decades. Presumably the guns front and rear are meant to be machine guns for infantry support..No use for WoT but interesting none-the-less.



rivit #4649 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 18:55

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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Mar 07 2014 - 15:48, said:

gooooodbye for now ill seee youuu tommmorrowwww :).and on march 7th, 2014 the sunset for the glorious rivit :(

Not yet, I'll be around for a little while.

View PostVollketten, on Mar 07 2014 - 18:09, said:

 

Offical British Military medical report from examination of combat casualties in the Western Desert:

-MRC Report BPC 161 9th December 1941

I would imagine AT rifles would produce this flaking even when they don't penetrate. I guess this wasn't serious unless the flaking flew into your eyes.

 


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Vollketten #4650 Posted Mar 08 2014 - 20:02

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It only says it "was said" to be an issue. The report was merely reporting some anecdotal matters in a very long report of other issues.

 

Have a brand new image of the Ansaldo assault tank on trials.

Still trying to sort out the lineage of that vehicle which depending on which internet source you use comes back with any one of more than a dozen different names and weights from 8 to 12 tonnes, Until I get something better than a random internet site given the incredible confusion over it I can't update the first page with proper verifiable information on it. 

 



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View PostVollketten, on Mar 08 2014 - 14:02, said:

It only says it "was said" to be an issue. The report was merely reporting some anecdotal matters in a very long report of other issues.

 

Have a brand new image of the Ansaldo assault tank on trials.

Still trying to sort out the lineage of that vehicle which depending on which internet source you use comes back with any one of more than a dozen different names and weights from 8 to 12 tonnes, Until I get something better than a random internet site given the incredible confusion over it I can't update the first page with proper verifiable information on it. 

 

it was my impression the 9 and 12 tons are the prototype and final version and the 8 ton is an entirely different vehicle.



Vollketten #4652 Posted Mar 09 2014 - 00:20

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View PostImperator_Gallogrecia, on Mar 08 2014 - 16:42, said:

it was my impression the 9 and 12 tons are the prototype and final version and the 8 ton is an entirely different vehicle.

It could well be. I just was looking for a definitive answer as there are (*when I count) over 20 different sources giving different information on it.

 

Obviously changing the weight requirements part way through to 9000kg max wont help that either. 

I suspect it started at weight Xand then got up-armoured and then down armoured. Mix this with name changes and multiple sources and it gets more confusing than the P.40 development



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View PostVollketten, on Mar 08 2014 - 19:20, said:

It could well be. I just was looking for a definitive answer as there are (*when I count) over 20 different sources giving different information on it.

 

Obviously changing the weight requirements part way through to 9000kg max wont help that either. 

I suspect it started at weight Xand then got up-armoured and then down armoured. Mix this with name changes and multiple sources and it gets more confusing than the P.40 development

Don't forget the various CV conversions with the turret mounted 37mm, hull mounted 37mm, the L6 suspensions. They always get me confused. It's almost impossible to match a photo of a tank with what some author currently decides to call a tank project.:amazed:  



Vollketten #4654 Posted Mar 09 2014 - 19:29

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I'm going to add another tech tree to page one under mine. It will summarise a rough layout of what I think WG will do since I keep getting asked and have no more idea what they will do than the next man right now.

Vollketten #4655 Posted Mar 10 2014 - 13:15

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Todays FTR article by Ensign Expendible mentions the Ansaldo project which is always interesting:

http://ftr.wot-news....t-tree-part-2/ 

Last paragraph



rivit #4656 Posted Mar 10 2014 - 13:39

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View PostVollketten, on Mar 10 2014 - 08:15, said:

Todays FTR article by Ensign Expendible mentions the Ansaldo project which is always interesting:

http://ftr.wot-news....t-tree-part-2/ 

Last paragraph

I couldn't get your link to work , so I added this one:

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/03/10/brainstorming-tanks-soviet-multi-turret-tree-part-2/#more-8927

Ensign Expendable:

"At tier 10, of course. The tier 9 hole would have to be plugged by something else.

That something else can only be the Ansaldo heavy tank project, which later inspired the T-39. In 1932, a 70-ton tank was designed for the USSR with a Char 2C-like electric motor, 30 kph top speed, and an impressive 152 mm or 203 mm main gun. Secondary guns included 76 and 45 mm turrets. The tank was never built, but its blueprints went on to inspire Soviet tank design for many years later, so odds are they are somewhere. Perhaps WG researchers will dig it up and reveal the wonders of the early super-heavy tank designs. Meanwhile, all we can do is dream."

 


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Vollketten #4657 Posted Mar 10 2014 - 14:03

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Captured French Somua on Trials in Naples with the R.E



Slakrrrrrr #4658 Posted Mar 10 2014 - 14:18

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So, Mussolini's 45 ton tank at tier 8, and the P.70/32 at tier 9?

Vollketten #4659 Posted Mar 10 2014 - 14:27

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I see them doing the easy route pretty much just to start with a single line mixed with single lines of other euro nations and then to go from there.

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View PostVollketten, on Mar 09 2014 - 14:29, said:

I'm going to add another tech tree to page one under mine. It will summarise a rough layout of what I think WG will do since I keep getting asked and have no more idea what they will do than the next man right now.

Are you going to put it in the spoiler beneath the current tree?






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