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TheWolfie #5501 Posted Aug 18 2014 - 21:53

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View PostPzBarkhorn, on Aug 18 2014 - 06:41, said:

Actually, the japanese tree is the one with the most real tanks (and indigenous ones) in the game.

 

I personally like the Japanese tanks a lot, I just wish that Italy would also have a tree, considering they also played a big part in the war.



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View PostTheWolfie, on Aug 18 2014 - 16:53, said:

 

I personally like the Japanese tanks a lot, I just wish that Italy would also have a tree, considering they also played a big part in the war.

 

The main hurdle with an Italian tree is that indigenous Italian tank development halted in 1943 until the late '60s, early '70s. And even then, the Lion project enjoyed German cooperation and was to tropicalize a Leopard 1, and the OF-40 was also a direct development of the Leopard 1. Had the gap only been until the mid '50s, Italy would probably have a heck of a lot less trouble making their own tech tree.



cwjian90 #5503 Posted Aug 19 2014 - 00:03

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The main problem actually is that Italy does not have millions of World of Tank players to be a sufficiently attractive market that the Italian tech tree is allowed to get away with cloned tanks from other nations (ie. the M47, Panther, etc.), unlike some other country.

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View Postcwjian90, on Aug 18 2014 - 18:03, said:

The main problem actually is that Italy does not have millions of World of Tank players to be a sufficiently attractive market that the Italian tech tree is allowed to get away with cloned tanks from other nations (ie. the M47, Panther, etc.), unlike some other country.

They dont even have their own language section in the EU forums so it's not like WG has made much 'outreach' to them as a market.

EU wise IIRC from SilentStalker the biggest player countries not already in game in some major manner are Czech Republic and Poland.

Even with a smaller player base Italy is hard to ignore especially given a focus on historic battles and consistency across the WG product base.



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From: Circular No.4360 'Employment and training and training of tank hunter teams' Rome, November 1942. 

A guide for infantry detailing identification features of some of the main enemy tanks including T-34, Cruiser MkVI A, Matilda and KV-2' and how to disable and attack enemy vehicles including some anaylsis of blindspots.

 



Vollketten #5506 Posted Aug 19 2014 - 20:25

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In 2011 an M.15/42 which had been cut up to be turned into a pillbox was recovered and preserved by means of removing the rust and repainting.

Prior to repainting however there is a four tone camouflage scheme, grey/black,brown/green visible.

Also of note would be that 'clean' mantlet' we saw some time ago on another M.15/42 where the coaxial machine gun weakspot had been eliminated.

Rest of the restoration in the spoiler

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Found a few pictures of light tanks.

 

 

Two L6/40 and one Semovente 47/32 on the Eastern Front.

 

 

Two L6 with crew members looking at the camera.

 

 

Finally, another one of a L6/40 crew, and a great view of the Breda gun. Love their helmets.


Edited by TheWolfie, Aug 23 2014 - 04:07.


iron_elephant #5509 Posted Aug 23 2014 - 02:52

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May want to cover up the symbol on the tank furthest from the camera for the image "Two L6 with crew members looking at the camera."

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View Postiron_elephant, on Aug 23 2014 - 03:52, said:

May want to cover up the symbol on the tank furthest from the camera for the image "Two L6 with crew members looking at the camera."


That makes sense here; although why did you, Iron Elephant decide not to use the British 'Flying Elephant' for your profile picture? I think that it would be hilarious if you did so :P.

 

O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 / 105/25 M.40 [<- Read Link-Designation's Description]:
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Also Does anyone know of any Images of the O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 /105/25 P.40 and or where they are?

I have seen the 'Supposed' image of the O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 P.40 on an early post here. Although I'm 'not convinced' as it has 'Thin' Tracks unlike the P.26/40 and more like, or exactly like those of the M.15/42; and also I have a High Resolution Image of the Same Vehicle taken at a Different Angle, although that Image shows that the vehicle in question is an Ansaldo Semovente da 105/25 M.42L.

 

So, does anyone have any O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 / 105/25 M.40 Images that could help me out / the Italian Tank Community? If so I would appreciate it / them VERY much.
 

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View PostTheWolfie, on Aug 22 2014 - 21:34, said:

Found a few pictures of light tanks.

 

 

Two L6/40 and one Semovente 47/32 on the Eastern Front.

 

 

Two L6 with crew members looking at the camera.

 

 

Finally, another one of a L6/40 crew, and a great view of the Breda gun. Love their helmets.

Feathers on helmets... typically used by the Bersaglieri units. Can u confirm if tne Bersaglieri had tank units?



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View Postiron_elephant, on Aug 22 2014 - 21:52, said:

May want to cover up the symbol on the tank furthest from the camera for the image "Two L6 with crew members looking at the camera."

 

I feel like an idiot for not seeing that. :hiding:

 

View PostPzBarkhorn, on Aug 22 2014 - 22:33, said:

Fethers on helmets... typically used by the Bersaglieri units. Can u confirm if tne Bersaglieri had tank units?

 

Yeah, I was going to comment that I thought it was weird because that helmet was used by the infantry, but thought I was probably just getting mixed up. As far as I know, the Bersaglieri never operated tanks, but it could simply be combined arms.



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Where is the Source page for The Semovente da 149 mm M.42 Image?

 

 


 



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View PostTheWolfie, on Aug 23 2014 - 02:59, said:

 

I feel like an idiot for not seeing that. :hiding:

 

 

Yeah, I was going to comment that I thought it was weird because that helmet was used by the infantry, but thought I was probably just getting mixed up. As far as I know, the Bersaglieri never operated tanks, but it could simply be combined arms.

Did a quick research, the Bersaglieri had some tank units called "Bataglione Bersaglieri Corazzato". One of them is know to have been destroyed in Russia, around 42 or 43.

 



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View PostPzBarkhorn, on Aug 23 2014 - 09:03, said:

Did a quick research, the Bersaglieri had some tank units called "Bataglione Bersaglieri Corazzato". One of them is know to have been destroyed in Russia, around 42 or 43.

 

 

Didn't know that, thanks.

 

One of the first things that popped up when I searched for it:

 

The helmet looks great, but it also looks a tad inconvenient inside a tiny tank like the L6. :veryhappy:



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View PostTheWolfie, on Aug 23 2014 - 09:23, said:

 

Didn't know that, thanks.

 

One of the first things that popped up when I searched for it:

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The helmet looks great, but it also looks a tad inconvenient inside a tiny tank like the L6. :veryhappy:

Ha, a white diagonal stripe, not sure if I'd written that one down. TY



WithinAmnesia #5517 Posted Aug 23 2014 - 23:14

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On a Side Note / Tangent: I Thought that some of you might like what I have recently been up to with my 'Project'.

I Currently 'Herald' / Name it as: "Indigenous Historical Italian Semovente Progression Structure":

 

[It is 'kind of' Massive (so as to not reduce Image Quality on M.S. Paint...) so thus the Spoiler; for your convenience.]

 

Also 'Guys' and Gals do you know where I can find images for the 'Semovente M.43 Sahariano'? And the 'O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 / 105/25 P.40'? Also does anyone know where the Source Images are for the 'Semovente da 149/23 M.42'? As well as the 'Semovente da 149/40 M.42 P.40'?


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View PostWithinAmnesia, on Aug 23 2014 - 17:14, said:

 

Also 'Guys' and Gals do you know where I can find images for the 'Semovente M.43 Sahariano'? And the 'O.T.O. Semovente da 105/23 / 105/25 P.40'? Also does anyone know where the Source Images are for the 'Semovente da 149/23 M.42'? As well as the 'Semovente da 149/40 M.42 P.40'?

 

Images of the Sahariano M.43? - Good luck. It's just listed as a side project based on the M.16/43. So there are a few options as to what it could have looked like, this is the orthographic vies of the Sahariano if you want to take them and have a play (be sure to label any creations as such)

You're basic options are a frontal casement layout like the earlier Semovente or a rear mounted affair like the later type; using the side photo of the hull I made this:

Obviously if it were to resemble the later Semovente it would be a front engined affair with a rear mounted gun. I haven't sketched out something like that but I may do at some point.

So little information on it atm. sorry.

Even if there were to be no more turn up on it which is certainly possible WG could use the idea as they saw fit but it would not pass the 'historical' hurdle Italy has been saddled with.


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First off Thank You Vollketten! Excellent Points [*Plans Vehicles*].

 

Second: I have a 'Secret [Blatantly Obvious] 'Weapon' regarding Historical / Semi Historic and Fictional [E-90 /E-79] Tanks within my 'Project'.

Historical Progression 'Structure': Includes 85-100% Historical vehicles [For 'Historical Game Mode' Applicable Vehicles.]

Semi-Historical Progression 'Structure': Includes 51-84% Historical Vehicles. [Must be based on or a combination of Historical Components.]

Fictional Progression 'Structure':Includes 0-50% Historical Vehicles. [Must be Vehicles that 'Realistically' could have entered Military Service.]

 

Third: I 'Researched' you Sahariano 'Projects' and I found the ones on Page 33 and Page 34 but well, Page 91..

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/200193-italian-tanks-and-military-vehicles/page__st__1800

"Sahariano reversed and open topped with short gun:
Posted Image

Sahariano reversed with closed casement:
Posted Image

Sahariano reworked so that engine is forward and casement is rear with long 149:
Posted Image "

- Vollketten Page 91 Post#1804

 

is it just me or are do all of the three above Images Read:

"The image you are

requesting does not exist

or is no longer available

 

imgur.com"

 

I found what two of the the designs look like via Google images but they are small and 'bad quality' images saved in the 'Google Bot' search engine and not the 'real deal'. Vollketten Could you please 're-post' / upload them or help me see what you posted? [Very interesting Images].


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View PostWithinAmnesia, on Aug 23 2014 - 17:50, said:

 

*snip

 

I found what two of the the designs look like via Google images but they are small and 'bad quality' images saved in the 'Google Bot' search engine and not the 'real deal'. Vollketten Could you please 're-post' / upload them or help me see what you posted? [Very interesting Images].

 

Sorry none of your images showed up.

I'd suggest something like ingur or photobucket as image hosting sites


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