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Vollketten #6761 Posted Jul 19 2015 - 19:05

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Hopefully the 'Euro-tree' concept can finally be buried: (emphasis added)

http://ritastatusrep...9072015-q.html 

 

19.07.2015 Q&A 

"- Despite the way some sources (usually WG RU marketing, producers) inform about it, there will not be an "European tree" or "European branch", the branches are essentially all nationalized now with Czechoslovaks first possibly followed by the Swedish."



rivit #6762 Posted Jul 19 2015 - 20:43

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^It's sounding like a lot of single nation branches, one at a time to see if they do well.

 

Also, not tank related, but it looks like Paggio has been busy making drones.

http://www.p1hh.piaggioaerospace.it/

The P1HH Hammerhead drone is based on their successful private plane.

I believe Paggio is currently 98% owned by foreign companies.

Here's a modern warfare wheeled vehicle:

http://forum.tanktastic.org/index.php?/topic/5578-maneuver-combat-vehicle/

The Porcupine Centauro 155/39 LW prototype SPG, which looks an awful lot like that patent I posted awhile ago.


 


Edited by rivit, Jul 20 2015 - 20:42.


Vollketten #6763 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 19:44

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View PostVollketten, on Feb 10 2014 - 14:37, said:

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  • also examined by CSEM in February 1936 was the Austrian Steyr made ADKZ and ADGZ armoured cars

 

ADKZ Armoured Car

 

ADGZ Armoured Car

 

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Not much to report from other huntings but I recalled seeking something on some tests of Austrian stuff (above)

Apparently not just the Austrian Steyr Armoured cars but also this (useless for the game) machine:

Photo is February 1936 

 

Its the Austrian Steyr (Austro-Daimler Motor-Karette ADMK-WARK?) wheel-cum-track machine and this version has the odd looking central arm suspension but also the rather more comforatble looking large wheel suspension version too

 



rivit #6764 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 19:45

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I think it's safe to say this video is showing Licata, Sicily after the invasion. This is the same video with the Semovente 90/53 getting inspected by American troops that's already been posted.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/sicily-aftermath/query/italy+gun

The piers and the crane at the beginning of the video matches google earth's location.

Google earth shows a similar crane in the same location and the piers look the same.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Licata+AG,+Italy/@37.0952483,13.9347144,191m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x13105e4d3373d40f:0x228fb7ca9904433f!6m1!1e1

I would like to say the saddle just outside of town matches the one shown with the Semovente 90/53 but I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Some similar photos posted online has the vehicle as listed as 'on the way to Palermo, Sicily dated July 22nd.'

 

^Whoops, I think we posted at the same time. It's a shame wheeled vehicles won't be in the game, or so they say.


Edited by rivit, Jul 22 2015 - 20:02.


Vollketten #6765 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 20:29

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View Postrivit, on Jul 22 2015 - 12:45, said:

I think it's safe to say this video is showing Licata, Sicily after the invasion. This is the same video with the Semovente 90/53 getting inspected by American troops that's already been posted.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/sicily-aftermath/query/italy+gun

The piers and the crane at the beginning of the video matches google earth's location.

Google earth shows a similar crane in the same location and the piers look the same.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Licata+AG,+Italy/@37.0952483,13.9347144,191m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x13105e4d3373d40f:0x228fb7ca9904433f!6m1!1e1

I would like to say the saddle just outside of town matches the one shown with the Semovente 90/53 but I doubt we'll ever know for sure. Some similar photos posted online has the vehicle as listed as 'on the way to Palermo, Sicily dated July 22nd.'

 

^Whoops, I think we posted at the same time. It's a shame wheeled vehicles won't be in the game, or so they say.

 

Bizarre, within the last 10 minutes I was looking at exactly the same footage from a different source placing the town and Semo 90/53 in question in the town of Catania which isn't that far from Licata on 8th of December 1943.

If imgur ever starts working again I'll some more pictures of it.

News source then like now often get places a little wrong as well as the date being likely off too. Certainly a fair bet the vehicle is from that region though.


Edited by Vollketten, Jul 22 2015 - 20:42.


Vollketten #6766 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 20:52

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Well for some reason I have a total image fail today thanks to imgur but the footage is repeated by Movietone here:

 

http://www.aparchive...page=1&b=8fbc78

 

at 3:18

 



Vollketten #6767 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 21:06

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Same place for Italy also has 

 

Graveyard of Nazi hopes: http://www.aparchive...page=1&b=d1ef83

which has a large desert area collection of Italian trucks and tractors and an impressive line up of M.13's

 

and this one 'Commandos and Italian Tank'

http://www.aparchive...age=41&b=cd242b

 

which per the text shows : "Various angle shots of captured Italian tank fitted with 47mm. gun; armoured top & cupola missing, gun traverses."

 

Sadly the town appears to be Beja and that tank is irritatingly absent.

 

Anyway AP/Movietown just digitsed and released the bulk of their archives so have fun at http://www.aparchive.com/ searching for tanks from Swimming Vickers and S-Tanks to Conqueror, Chieftain tanks etc and seeing the plethora of captured Arab arms the Israelis are examining or Israeli AMX-13's in Jerusalem. Great image archive although their footage seems to overlap a little back and forth.

 

 

 



Vollketten #6768 Posted Jul 22 2015 - 21:23

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Invasion of Albania - some shots of CV.3 being unloaded and zipping about

http://www.aparchive...age=21&b=78a3e6

 

Italian Tanks in Grand National - Fiat 3000's and CV.3's including the CV.3 Gettaponte

http://www.aparchive...age=41&b=03da35

 

CV.3 can ford deeper than it actually is from that video 

 

Grumpy Mussolini looking very serious announcing war - CV.3 and Fiat 3000's

http://www.aparchive...age=41&b=9c828d

 

 



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View PostVollketten, on Jul 22 2015 - 16:06, said:

Same place for Italy also has 

 

Graveyard of Nazi hopes: http://www.aparchive...page=1&b=d1ef83

which has a large desert area collection of Italian trucks and tractors and an impressive line up of M.13's

 

and this one 'Commandos and Italian Tank'

http://www.aparchive...age=41&b=cd242b

 

which per the text shows : "Various angle shots of captured Italian tank fitted with 47mm. gun; armoured top & cupola missing, gun traverses."

 

Sadly the town appears to be Beja and that tank is irritatingly absent.

 

Anyway AP/Movietown just digitsed and released the bulk of their archives so have fun at http://www.aparchive.com/ searching for tanks from Swimming Vickers and S-Tanks to Conqueror, Chieftain tanks etc and seeing the plethora of captured Arab arms the Israelis are examining or Israeli AMX-13's in Jerusalem. Great image archive although their footage seems to overlap a little back and forth.

 

 

 

 

Well, I know what I'm going to be wasting a chunk of my life on. Thanks for the link Vollketten.

rivit #6770 Posted Jul 23 2015 - 16:46

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Spoiler

 

I just know that the stadium event with the Fiat 2000 breaking through the wall was part of a video. It's just a matter of time before we find it.

 


Edited by rivit, Feb 24 2017 - 13:26.


rivit #6771 Posted Jul 24 2015 - 21:26

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I found another video from critical past that has the Fiat 2000 at the end of the video climbing the slope just like we've already seen. This time the video is shorter and the footage more close up. Before the appearance of the Fiat 2000, we see a De Stefano carriage hauling a large caliber gun(@1:46) with tractor and I think some towed 149/35As.

Not as good as the digital quality from AP/Movietown but still nice to see.

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675026087_Italian-forces_Alps_Italian-infantry-walks_soldiers-pull-artillery

 


 


 

 


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Vollketten #6772 Posted Jul 28 2015 - 00:39

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Batch of Italian weapon, tank and ammunition docs have arrived earlier than expected. Very very faint annoyingly but includes shooting trials of British weapons as well as lengthy examinations of engine and components.

 

Most noteable is the performance of the .55 Boys rifle which is ineffective "dented armour but did not pierce" (M.13/40 type)

 

more to follow



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Official M.I 10 report into CV.3 "Report on Light Tank in Cyrenaica" dated March 1941 marked 'SECRET'

 

  • 1 x example found abandoned between Sidi-Barrani and Benghazi.
  • "Very few appear to have been knocked out or broken down"
  • not really a tank - really is a 'carrier;
  • design is based on carden loyd carrier but is better:
    • has an enclosed roof
    • front MG's are mounted in a tank type fitting
  • A Number of variation of the design have been seen:
    • "type mounting a 30mm Solothurn AT rifle instead of the standard twin 8mm MG's" [verbatim]
  • 4x  machines captured near Tobruk were fitted with flame throwers with fuel carried in trailer behind. No evidence of these being used against British troops
  • Specification:
    • Dimensions 10ft long x 4'8" wide, [height is really hard to read but appears to say 6ft 3"], weight 2 1/2 to 3 tons "(unconfirmed)"
    • Armour:
      • vertical front plate 14mm,
      • upper glacis 14mm,
      • lower glacis plate 7mm,
      • side in front 14mm,
      • sides in rear 7mm
      • back 7mm
      • roof 7mm
    • Engine: Fiat 4 cylinder petrol arranged in two blocks of 2 cylinders
    • Tracks: cast steel type from 15 tooth drive wheel or 5 1/2 [unclear] pitch. Double bar tread 7" [unclear fraction] wide
    • Suspension: 7 bogie wheels each side, one single one in front of the idler wheel at the rear and two or the three mounts sprung by arrangement of louvres from a common leaf spring. 
    • Markings: "Fiat-Ansaldo" or "Officina-Automobilistica P [maybe an R] Esercito Rev 23/1/39" [from a plate in the crew compartment]
    • Tracks are marked "Ansaldo"

 

Edit: I forgot to include the sketches of the tracks and suspension from the report: (I've had to fiddle with the contrast and brightness to make it readable as the original is so faint)

 


Edited by Vollketten, Jul 28 2015 - 20:21.


WithinAmnesia #6774 Posted Jul 29 2015 - 07:13

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Most Interesting Vollketten.

Legiondude #6775 Posted Jul 29 2015 - 14:11

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Hey Volk, what's the story on Italian nomenclature for the Panzer IV?(P.23/41)

Vollketten #6776 Posted Jul 29 2015 - 18:09

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View PostLegiondude, on Jul 29 2015 - 07:11, said:

Hey Volk, what's the story on Italian nomenclature for the Panzer IV?(P.23/41)

P.23/41 would be:

P = Pesante - heavy tank (they classed the Pz IV as a Heavy)

23 = tonnes

41 = year


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Vollketten #6779 Posted Aug 01 2015 - 16:21

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some poster candy I guess for the weekend



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Chart from 1933 of tank and anti-tank weapons and penetrations:

Breda 14mm gets 1.14 inches at 1100yrds - that just shy of 29mm - not bad at all.






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