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RanLSX #8401 Posted May 22 2019 - 18:28

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I don't know how rare the MG is, but they have some Fiat Revelli Mod 14s for the Fiat 2000:

https://www.facebook...P0jX4PNXrypWg7h

 

That rebuild is gonna be unbelievable.



RanLSX #8402 Posted May 22 2019 - 19:11

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Spherical tanks. Some Italian inventors in there:

 http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2019/05/in-search-of-perfect-sphere.html

 

"The USA was home to most spherical tank projects, but other countries produced some as well. A number of patents were issued in Italy. The most interesting one was the "Monocycle vehicle" patented by Karlo Pomilio from Rome. It was a monowheel with a hull that partially extended outwards. This was an unusual tank, but a tank nevertheless. There was no peaceful variant. Gun mounts were to be installed in the front and rear, as well as the sides. In theory, Pomilio's design was supposed to have good mobility, but nobody ever built it. It was far too unusual. The end of WWI also seriously cut the budget for military designs."

-No picture-

I wonder if he's in one of those patent websites? It might be worth looking up when I get the time.



RanLSX #8403 Posted May 23 2019 - 16:28

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View PostVollketten, on May 16 2014 - 14:28, said:

Design for heavy tank by Carlo Pomilio (An engineer) from August 1918

It uses a single huge wheel rotating around the centre with rollers front and back and all round fire from artillery and machine guns.

 

 

Utterly useless for WoT but at least the designs keep coming.

 

 

Vollk posted the Pomilio back on page 257. I found the patent for the tank wheel.

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https://patents.google.com/patent/US1374761



RanLSX #8404 Posted May 23 2019 - 16:47

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View PostRanLSX, on May 16 2019 - 11:51, said:

From the same facebook page, new tank time! Or should I say SPG:

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Says it's a 65/17

 

Also from page 257, I wanted to see if that Ansaldo 1927 suspension was on this plate . It isn't, though  there is some other adjustable track:

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The far middle left has a similar idea, but not quite there yet.

There's a modern wheeled ?8 X 8? IFV that can adjust the suspension according to the slope. I think it's from FNSS:

 https://www.copybook.com/media/military/profiles/fnss/Documents/FNSS_2015_PRODUCTS__SERVICES.pdf 


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RanLSX #8405 Posted May 23 2019 - 18:23

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BEHOLLLLLLLD:

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BWAAHAHAHHAHAH It LIVES!!!!!

 

*sign* nevermind, it's just a rendering. 


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RanLSX #8406 Posted May 24 2019 - 16:40

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I'm wondering if the secrets of the Ansaldo GL 65-70 tons can be found in this podcast posted on Warspot.

https://warspot.ru/14758-tankovyy-podkast-giganty-na-gusenitsah

Time will tell I guess.



RanLSX #8407 Posted May 28 2019 - 18:10

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Article about the Lancia 3RO Blindato from Tank Encyclopedia:

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-lancia-3ro-blindato/

 

"In the basic Italian Army version, the Lancia 3Ro could carry 32 fully equipped soldiers or 6390 kg of materials or ammunition. Most versions were built for the Army. Other variants included tanker versions for fuel (5000 liters) or for water (one tank of 5000 liters or two of 2000) modified by the Viberti company of Turin,  the mobile workshop Mod. 38, an ammunition transporter with 210 x 90 mm rounds and a command post." 

 

^That's a lot of 90mm.

 

Also, Fiat 2000 rebuild from Analisi Defesa:

https://www.analisidifesa.it/2019/05/quasi-pronta-la-replica-del-fiat-2000-primo-carro-armato-italiano/

 


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RanLSX #8408 Posted May 31 2019 - 16:53

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View PostRanLSX, on May 28 2019 - 12:10, said:

Some pics from the project:

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Good shots of the suspension:

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There's that shoe we saw at the beginning of the project:

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^Steel giants deserve the best footwear.

That Revelli MG from earlier appears to be a replica. 3d printing is the shat! 



RanLSX #8409 Posted Jun 01 2019 - 19:56

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If the original series "A" doesn't have the bulge in the roof and it's added for the next 47/32 to make room for the breech block, then you would indeed see an increase in gun depression up until you upgrade to the next 47/32. So yes, there is an increase in gun depression with the original 47/32 and new turret with the bulge, at least until you upgrade the gun to the 47/32 breechblock. The original 47/32 would enjoy the increased gun depression, but wouldn't have the ROF of the improved semi- auto breech block.


 

I don't know if any of this matters for WT, but it should be a no brainer for WOT and its upgraded turrets/guns meta.



RanLSX #8410 Posted Jun 03 2019 - 18:19

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View PostRanLSX, on Mar 09 2019 - 14:39, said:

 

Well, I at least found the original website.

http://www.albertoparducci.it/photo_gallery/Carristi2.htm

Another translation:

The main action is that of April 25 (S. Easter) at the foot of Gebel Bou Kurnine, the forted momte in the Megerda Valley, a few days before the surrender, the 17 M14/41 wagons and the 10 self-propelled 75//18 of the pool show an amazing victory over the British , this fight is defined by the Germans "Der Fabelhatte Gegenangriffe", the legendary attack, our losses are 4 tanks destroyed and numerous damaged.
 


 

Might be Medjerda ?

https://www.translatetheweb.com/?from=&to=en&ref=SERP&refd=www.bing.com&dl=en&rr=UC&a=https%3a%2f%2ffr.wikipedia.org%2fwiki%2fMedjerda

Anyway, it can't be an award metal until more is proven. What British unit  was involved in this "amazing victory"?


 

Jebel Bourkomine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_Boukornine

"Jebel Boukornine (Arabic: جبل بوقرنين;), also spelled Djebel Bou Kornine or Mount Bou Kornine, is a 576-meter mountain in northern Tunisia,"


 

F***ing headache

 

 

Old Warspot article about Tunisian Campaign:

https://warspot.ru/12341-na-flangah-longstopa-nastuplenie-ne-stavshee-generalnym

Kornine is there and British lines pass through around April 23-25 slightly south of the hill base. The citation never says it was a tank versus tank battle, so I wouldn't be surprised if they temporarily overran/halted some forward element to the south.

This is all speculation on my part.  Keep in mind, I don't know much about the battle.

 

Prior to the citation/award posted above, I wasn't aware of any 17 x  M14s left in service. I only thought ~10 were left with the Centauro Div. It's possible with all the material sent to Tunisia a further stock of 7 existed somewhere along with some Semovente 75/18s. 

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 Semovente 75/18 in Tunisia:

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RanLSX #8411 Posted Jun 04 2019 - 20:08

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This is all I have so far:

From Hyperwar: U.S. Army in World War II Mediterranean Theater of Operations Northwest Africa:

Seizing the Initiative in the West by George F Howe

Chap 32, The Attack Begins

Pg 610 -611 covers Kornine

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-32.html#cn5

"The enemy made the best possible use of the terrain he held by defending all major hills in strength and by blocking the approaches with extensive mine fields. The sector under attack was held by two battalions of the Grenadier Regiment Hermann Goering and, to the south of the Bou Arada-Pont-du-Fahs road, by a reconnaissance unit and a Tunis Battalionunder Headquarters, Regiment Ewert. Two German and two Italian artillery battalions and units of the Flak Regiment Hermann Goering, in an antitank role, were in support. The spoiling attack of 20-21 April had confirmed the enemy in his assumption that the Allied offensive was imminent.[4] When therefore the attack of the British 46th Division jumped off after an extraordinarily heavy artillery preparation, the Germans were ready and offered determined resistance. South of the Sebkret el Kourzia they managed to hold. But north of the marsh, the British successfully penetrated the enemy defense line. Here, late on 23 April, General Crocker committed his 6th Armoured Division to exploit toward the Pont-du-FahsñTunis road. General Keightley's armor rolled into the opening and broke through, forcing the remaining elements of the Grenadier Regiment back onto the hills to the east. The 6th Armoured Division rounded the northern edge of the salt lake and one element drove ahead toward Pont-du-Fahs. Thus the German front had been pierced. The German Africa Corps' northwest flank was immediately threatened, and beyond it the entire southern front along the Enfidaville Position appeared in danger.

page 610:

 

Army Group Africa met the crisis by ordering a withdrawal in the sector of the Africa Corps opposite the French XIX Corps and relinquished control over the Djebels Mansour (678), Chirich (717), and Fkirine (988) in favor of a shorter defense line nearer Pont-du-Fahs.[4] Simultaneously, von Arnim ordered the German Africa Corps to extend its front to include the crumbling south wing of the Hermann Goering Division and sent Fifth Panzer Army's only mobile reserve, the 10th Panzer Division  into the breach. Here, under the German Africa Corps, the division was soon engaged in a prolonged seesaw battle with General Keightley's tanks.

 During the following days the embattled armor was fought to a standstill in the area east and northeast of the Sebkret el Kourzia in the vicinity of a dominating hill known to the Germans as "Kamelberg.[5]

Losses on both sides were heavy. For the period from 20-26 April Army Group Africa claimed to have destroyed 162 British tanks, 24 guns, 67 motor vehicles, and 23 planes.[6] After the first two days of battle, the 10th Panzer Division had been reduced to 25 operational tanks. But reinforcements, drawn from the First Italian Army and 15th Panzer Division,increased its strength by 26 April to 55 German and 10 Italian tanks. At the same time Fifth Panzer Army held another tank force of about 15 tanks in support of the 334th Infantry Division, and nearer the Medjerda river.[7]

As the enemy braced himself to meet a resumption of the Allied attack, he found his capabilities seriously reduced. The fuel situation imposed a critical limitation on maneuver and troop transport, while the ammunition shortage threatened to reach dangerous proportions if strong Allied attacks in the south should be resumed. For the time being, however, the Axis counterbalanced its heavy expenditures on the western front with forces withdrawn from the sector opposite Montgomery as he suspended his attack against the Enfidaville Position[8]

page 611:

 

The British 9 Corps offensive of 22-26 April against the Hermann Goering Division and the 10th Panzer Division fell short of a break-through. But to prevent it, Army Group Africa had been forced to commit almost all of its mobile reserve, to withdraw from the salient opposite the French XIX Corps, and to expend a critical amount of its dwindling supplies. Thus the attack in the southern portion of the British First Army's zone had not only gained valuable ground, but inflicted crippling blows."

 

"5. Djebel Bou Keurnine (396), about three miles east-northeast of Sebkret el Kourzia, was named "Camelback Mountain" for its characteristic silhouette. (1) Second Intermediate and Daily Rpt, Army Group Africa to OKH/GenStdH/Op Abt, 24 Apr 43, in Army Group Africa, Sitreps. (2) MS # T-3 (Nehring et al.) Vol. 3a."

 

Citation 6 is just a number given from a report from Army Group Africa OKH

 



RanLSX #8412 Posted Jun 10 2019 - 17:01

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I'm doing a book plug advertised on Analisi defesa:

The War of Others 

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A mapping of armies and intelligence services engaged in today's wars. An essay of martial analysis useful to understand, through historical references, updated numbers and statistics, who are winners and losers in the hotbeds of crisis in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and Europe. Introduction by Alfredo Mantici.

https://paesiedizioni.it/collane/le-guerre-degli-altri/

 

Nice tank. M11/39 on roids. We just can't get away from those hull mounted guns.


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RanLSX #8413 Posted Jun 11 2019 - 18:22

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It's Italian Heavy tank day!

GL-4 rendering on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoZcES_f3kI

Twitter:

https://twitter.com/sisakuheiki/status/946686894913609729

 

I'm left wondering if this French design from Tank Encyclopedia influenced the GL-4's suspension or turret:

 http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww1-france-delahayes-tank/

Different but similar.

 

 



RanLSX #8414 Posted Jun 14 2019 - 18:42

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WARNING :I haven't heard anything officially new about the status of the Finabel tanks- last I heard they were fakes, so take this with a grain of salt:

 

Following the links from the Warspot article on the P40-43, I found a link to a blog in the comments section which discusses the Europanzers and other tanks 

P40 article 

https://warspot.ru/13209-tyazhyolyy-tank-po-italyanski

 

Blog Article dated 2018-06-08 by Xkeda:

https://xkeda.livejournal.com/560.html

 

At the end of the article:

"No further work was carried out on these projects, although Italy will emerge once more in the German prototype lineup. "

Which is revealed in part 2 as the OTO Centauro...

https://xkeda.livejournal.com/1007.html

...the OTO Centauro which the author believes is dated between 1961-62. 

 

Also from that Warspot article about the P40:

"On December 12, 1941, the car received a 32 caliber gun, thanks to which its firepower increased significantly. The gun on TTX was close to systems like the Soviet F-32 and American M2, even slightly surpassing them by penetration."

 

Wow, just wow. It must be hard for some to accept that firepower superiority over two of the most popular tanks ever. I wonder if future tank games will accept Italian tier 5 medium tank dominance from our measly 1941 prototype. Only time will tell I guess.

 

 



RanLSX #8415 Posted Jun 17 2019 - 18:48

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View PostRanLSX, on Jun 14 2019 - 12:42, said:

WARNING :I haven't heard anything officially new about the status of the Finabel tanks- last I heard they were fakes, so take this with a grain of salt:

 

Following the links from the Warspot article on the P40-43, I found a link to a blog in the comments section which discusses the Europanzers and other tanks 

P40 article 

https://warspot.ru/13209-tyazhyolyy-tank-po-italyanski

 

Blog Article dated 2018-06-08 by Xkeda:

https://xkeda.livejournal.com/560.html

 

 

 

No sources are listed, so it really remains a fake. Most of the pics and articles trace back to pics on pininterest and nothing more.

 

View PostRanLSX, on Jun 14 2019 - 12:42, said:

 

https://warspot.ru/13209-tyazhyolyy-tank-po-italyanski

 

Also from that Warspot article about the P40:

"On December 12, 1941, the car received a 32 caliber gun, thanks to which its firepower increased significantly. The gun on TTX was close to systems like the Soviet F-32 and American M2, even slightly surpassing them by penetration."

 

Wow, just wow. It must be hard for some to accept that firepower superiority over two of the most popular tanks ever. I wonder if future tank games will accept Italian tier 5 medium tank dominance from our measly 1941 prototype. Only time will tell I guess.

 

 

Lol

 

Also, Breda M30 article/comparison. 

 http://sturgeonshous...&comment=156455



RanLSX #8416 Posted Jun 24 2019 - 18:10

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Ansaldo tank prototype 1930 (tankette) from TE:

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-ansaldo-light-tank-1930-carro-armato-veloce-ansaldo/

 

A good history about the modelling hobby. It mostly covers early cardboard/paper models and later plastics and other American methods.

I think Italy's method would be characterized as using wooden mock-ups of various sizes (Fiat 2000- P43bis). I don't know what they would traditionally do for scale models of ships and aircraft. 

http://tankarchives.blogspot.com/2019/06/weaponized-carboard.html#more



RanLSX #8417 Posted Jun 28 2019 - 18:47

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Nice M13/40 diorama:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAgFfTkaXkQ

It's in 1:35 scale 



RanLSX #8418 Posted Jun 29 2019 - 17:03

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The Ariete deployed recently to Latvia & Poland:

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https://www.analisidifesa.it/2019/06/carri-armati-ariete-in-lettonia-e-in-polonia/

 

From Analisi Defesa:

"The Italian contingent based at Camp Adazi (north-east of Riga) has so far seen the presence of a reinforced light infantry company but last May the department of the 9th Alpini regiment ("Taurinense" Alpine Brigade) was alternated by a company of the 1st regiment. Bersaglieri and a platoon of tanks Aries of the 4th Regiment Carri."

 

"On the other hand, there was wide visibility in Poland of a company of Ariete tanks, this time of the "Ariete" Armored Brigade, deployed for a NATO exercise. In fact, in recent days, the 132rd “Ariete” Armored Brigade took part in the interforce and multinational “Dragon '19” exercise, organized by the Polish Armed Forces."

 

BTW, my super secret agent friend says the Russians jammed NATO's radio traffic during the recent NATO exercise in Poland.

Scared of Global Thermal Nuclear War much?

 



RanLSX #8419 Posted Jul 02 2019 - 19:30

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I've been making some snip-its from this Battlefield S2/E1 on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RCw8OIrlAs

 

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A true snip-it expert can make a shot of the video and make it look like a piece of sketch art. Look at the shadows and the texture. Oh my! 


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RanLSX #8420 Posted Jul 02 2019 - 19:33

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I see air recognition disk:

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