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RanLSX #8441 Posted Jul 29 2019 - 18:41

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Ariete, Battle of Bir Gobi boardgame:

https://comandosupremo.com/forums/index.php?threads/board-games.177/#post-1317

 



RanLSX #8442 Posted Jul 29 2019 - 18:55

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A video claiming these Crusaders were knocked out during the battle mentioned above:

https://imgur.com/r/ImagesOfThe1940s/5mFiZAG

 

Looks like the an A9  with its second turret still mounted:

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RanLSX #8443 Posted Jul 31 2019 - 18:42

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Article on Warspot about tunnels dug during WWI Italian Front to enable resupply:

https://warspot.ru/1...ot-52-tonnelya 

I think The White War has some pictures of the tunnel network from the same article but its location might be elsewhere along the front.

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RanLSX #8444 Posted Aug 01 2019 - 23:01

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Something a little different from the modelling world:

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The Destephano carriage mounting a 305/17 howitzer. 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/141146503273934/?ref=pages_group_cta


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RanLSX #8445 Posted Aug 07 2019 - 17:49

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The finished product:

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Nice weathering. 



RanLSX #8446 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 17:53

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M13/40 fighting in arctic conditions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVKH8BU87Z0

 

How to build a 1:35 M13 model from Tamiya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXi3cuYWWHE

Painting and weathering:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifM4bPl-SDg



RanLSX #8447 Posted Aug 08 2019 - 18:40

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View PostRanLSX, on Jun 03 2019 - 12:19, said:

 

Old Warspot article about Tunisian Campaign:

https://warspot.ru/12341-na-flangah-longstopa-nastuplenie-ne-stavshee-generalnym

Kornine is there and British lines pass through around April 23-25 slightly south of the hill base. The citation never says it was a tank versus tank battle, so I wouldn't be surprised if they temporarily overran/halted some forward element to the south.

This is all speculation on my part.  Keep in mind, I don't know much about the battle.

 

Prior to the citation/award posted above, I wasn't aware of any 17 x  M14s left in service. I only thought ~10 were left with the Centauro Div. It's possible with all the material sent to Tunisia a further stock of 7 existed somewhere along with some Semovente 75/18s. 

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 Semovente 75/18 in Tunisia:

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View PostRanLSX, on Jun 04 2019 - 14:08, said:

This is all I have so far:

From Hyperwar: U.S. Army in World War II Mediterranean Theater of Operations Northwest Africa:

Seizing the Initiative in the West by George F Howe

Chap 32, The Attack Begins

Pg 610 -611 covers Kornine

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-MTO-NWA/USA-MTO-NWA-32.html#cn5

"The enemy made the best possible use of the terrain he held by defending all major hills in strength and by blocking the approaches with extensive mine fields. The sector under attack was held by two battalions of the Grenadier Regiment Hermann Goering and, to the south of the Bou Arada-Pont-du-Fahs road, by a reconnaissance unit and a Tunis Battalionunder Headquarters, Regiment Ewert. Two German and two Italian artillery battalions and units of the Flak Regiment Hermann Goering, in an antitank role, were in support. The spoiling attack of 20-21 April had confirmed the enemy in his assumption that the Allied offensive was imminent.[4] When therefore the attack of the British 46th Division jumped off after an extraordinarily heavy artillery preparation, the Germans were ready and offered determined resistance. South of the Sebkret el Kourzia they managed to hold. But north of the marsh, the British successfully penetrated the enemy defense line. Here, late on 23 April, General Crocker committed his 6th Armoured Division to exploit toward the Pont-du-FahsñTunis road. General Keightley's armor rolled into the opening and broke through, forcing the remaining elements of the Grenadier Regiment back onto the hills to the east. The 6th Armoured Division rounded the northern edge of the salt lake and one element drove ahead toward Pont-du-Fahs. Thus the German front had been pierced. The German Africa Corps' northwest flank was immediately threatened, and beyond it the entire southern front along the Enfidaville Position appeared in danger.

page 610:

 

Army Group Africa met the crisis by ordering a withdrawal in the sector of the Africa Corps opposite the French XIX Corps and relinquished control over the Djebels Mansour (678), Chirich (717), and Fkirine (988) in favor of a shorter defense line nearer Pont-du-Fahs.[4] Simultaneously, von Arnim ordered the German Africa Corps to extend its front to include the crumbling south wing of the Hermann Goering Division and sent Fifth Panzer Army's only mobile reserve, the 10th Panzer Division  into the breach. Here, under the German Africa Corps, the division was soon engaged in a prolonged seesaw battle with General Keightley's tanks.

 During the following days the embattled armor was fought to a standstill in the area east and northeast of the Sebkret el Kourzia in the vicinity of a dominating hill known to the Germans as "Kamelberg.[5]

Losses on both sides were heavy. For the period from 20-26 April Army Group Africa claimed to have destroyed 162 British tanks, 24 guns, 67 motor vehicles, and 23 planes.[6] After the first two days of battle, the 10th Panzer Division had been reduced to 25 operational tanks. But reinforcements, drawn from the First Italian Army and 15th Panzer Division,increased its strength by 26 April to 55 German and 10 Italian tanks. At the same time Fifth Panzer Army held another tank force of about 15 tanks in support of the 334th Infantry Division, and nearer the Medjerda river.[7]

As the enemy braced himself to meet a resumption of the Allied attack, he found his capabilities seriously reduced. The fuel situation imposed a critical limitation on maneuver and troop transport, while the ammunition shortage threatened to reach dangerous proportions if strong Allied attacks in the south should be resumed. For the time being, however, the Axis counterbalanced its heavy expenditures on the western front with forces withdrawn from the sector opposite Montgomery as he suspended his attack against the Enfidaville Position[8]

page 611:

 

The British 9 Corps offensive of 22-26 April against the Hermann Goering Division and the 10th Panzer Division fell short of a break-through. But to prevent it, Army Group Africa had been forced to commit almost all of its mobile reserve, to withdraw from the salient opposite the French XIX Corps, and to expend a critical amount of its dwindling supplies. Thus the attack in the southern portion of the British First Army's zone had not only gained valuable ground, but inflicted crippling blows."

 

"5. Djebel Bou Keurnine (396), about three miles east-northeast of Sebkret el Kourzia, was named "Camelback Mountain" for its characteristic silhouette. (1) Second Intermediate and Daily Rpt, Army Group Africa to OKH/GenStdH/Op Abt, 24 Apr 43, in Army Group Africa, Sitreps. (2) MS # T-3 (Nehring et al.) Vol. 3a."

 

Citation 6 is just a number given from a report from Army Group Africa OKH

 

More about Djebel Bou Kournine:

 

 This time from The Field Artillery Journal -July 1943 

https://sill-www.army.mil/firesbulletin/archives/1943/JUL_1943/JUL_1943_FULL_EDITION.pdf

 

The 1st page is April 25th and surrounding days. The second page is closer to May 1st.

1st page

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2nd page

 

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Multiple tank battles on various dates around DJ Bou Kournine. Medjerda Valley is mentioned on April 25th on page 1 (above).

 

Original citation from this post:

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/598894-a-few-notable-italian-tank-commanders/page__pid__12019996#entry12019996

 

In April 1943, at the express request of the General Messe, he was, with the rank of Major, in command of the small DLIX Gruppo Semoventi 75/18 (Piscicelli Grouping), participating in the last desperate battles, always distinguishing itself for aggression, skill and value.

The most notable action is that of April 25 (S.Pasqua) at the foot of Gebel Bou Kurnine, the bifurcated momte in the valley of Megerda, a few days before the surrender, the 17 tanks M14/41 and 10 self-propelled Semovente 75/18 of the Grouping reported an amazing victory over the British, the battle was referred to by the Germans "Der fabelhatte Gegenangriffe" or the legendary attack, their losses were 4 Tanks destroyed and numerous damaged.

On 8 May, the last fight took place involving 4 self-propelled Semovente 75/18 and 1 M14/41, and Piscicelli,  seriously injured, was captured in Massicault.

 

He narrated his war events in the book: "Diary of a fighter in North Africa"

 


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RanLSX #8448 Posted Aug 09 2019 - 17:34

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Article about the Dardo on Warspot:

https://warspot.ru/15193-bmp-po-italyanski

If they stick to upgrading the handful of Arietes then naturally the Dardo should remain in service with whatever upgrade comes along.

 

This is how it should look for videogaming purposes

 

Wheeled expeditionary (Rapid):

Centauro 2

Freccia

Draco

Porcupine

 

Tracked:

Ariete

Dardo

OTOmatic

Palmaria, NOT PzH 2000

 

Personally, I'm waiting for Leonardo's first drone/robot tracked/wheeled tank.


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RanLSX #8449 Posted Aug 10 2019 - 18:47

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Autoblindo T.L.37

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-autoblindo-tl37-autoprotetto-s37/

 

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Top speed of 50 KM/H with a range of 725 KM. A rather unique turret with a certain Star Wars element if I may say so.  



RanLSX #8450 Posted Aug 12 2019 - 18:44

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It looks like they decided on a paint scheme for the Fiat 2000 rebuild:

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Top right, green & black w/ Fiat logo.

 

The rebuild is coming along nicely, indeed!

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Zanella's scratch build:

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I never tried a scratch build before. Looks complicated.



RanLSX #8451 Posted Aug 13 2019 - 18:25

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M13 from WT fighting in the Sinai:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCrBBXFD8Gs

7 months ago.

 

WT battle with M13 platoon against Crusaders and Matildas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MYhVs7j_hQ

You can find the full battle linked in the description header,

 



RanLSX #8452 Posted Aug 13 2019 - 18:44

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View PostRanLSX, on Mar 05 2018 - 04:00, said:

Corner fighting with the M11/39 using buildings or large rocks to protect you during fighting.

1. Only exposes the 30mm armor while supporting team mates from a distance. It also protects the driver's vision port on the left side ( as you're looking out of the tank)

 

2. Is for when the enemy approaches and you want to get off another shot while angled behind the corner. His central mounted turret won't be able to hit you before you nail his exposed front. 2 takes practice due to limited traverse.

 

Do you see what happens when you listen to the Ran? The Angry Nerd is using his proper M11/39 corner-fighting techniques and he reigned victorious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpicKQPBs8

AN holding the corner:

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AN killing his victims in his M11/39 while using his proper corner-fighting techniques:

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Don't you want to be like The Ran & Angry Nerd and win with your M11/39 corner fighting techniques?



RanLSX #8453 Posted Aug 15 2019 - 22:09

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Impressive:

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/141146503273934/?ref=pages_group_cta

 

Those are the Criel models by Terlizzi. The scratch build is still under construction.



RanLSX #8454 Posted Aug 15 2019 - 22:14

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Same guy:

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Dude, he's got little L3s in the background. The guy's a plastic model superstar 



RanLSX #8455 Posted Aug 17 2019 - 17:44

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Italian troops and Lancia ACs in China. 

 http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-lancia-izm-tianjin-china/

 

Goes good with this article about the RM in the Far East:

https://comandosupremo.com/regia-marina-far-east/



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View PostRanLSX, on Aug 15 2019 - 22:14, said:

Same guy:

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Dude, he's got little L3s in the background. The guy's a plastic model superstar 

 

Damn, i do want halloween event with multi-gun units like it was in 2017 (nostalgia), triple-blast on your 12.



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View PostRanLSX, on Aug 10 2019 - 18:47, said:

Autoblindo T.L.37

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-autoblindo-tl37-autoprotetto-s37/

 

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Top speed of 50 KM/H with a range of 725 KM. A rather unique turret with a certain Star Wars element if I may say so.  

 

It's kinda something wrong with it's turret.


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Spidergrenadier #8458 Posted Aug 18 2019 - 21:29

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Happy to report that i've been continuing work onto some mock-up redevelopment projects. Some simple scetches for beloved 120/44:

1. Mockup photo and 128mm shieldless PAK 44 version, because i have no blueprints for it's possible gun.

 

2. Size comparement with T28 heavy tank - it occurs to be quite bulky even if P26/40 chassis had been used.

 

3. 120mm Ansaldo 1926 naval firepoint unit, quite a decent pretender as an armament - sorry for montage, there are only photos for it too. 



RanLSX #8459 Posted Aug 19 2019 - 17:21

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Those are really good. That's pretty much how I picture the gun upgrades. Find the gun and stick it on top of one of the wooden mock-ups.

120/45 OTO

 

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Not the same gun, but I would think it's similar.

 

 

 

 

 



Spidergrenadier #8460 Posted Aug 19 2019 - 17:51

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View PostRanLSX, on Aug 19 2019 - 17:21, said:

Those are really good. That's pretty much how I picture the gun upgrades. Find the gun and stick it on top of one of the wooden mock-ups.

120/45 OTO

 

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Not the same gun, but I would think it's similar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks a lot for a side drawing and photo of that monster. Also i'm not able to find any drawing materials for 102/47 m.1929, however the Vollketten mentioned this gun somewhere at 180s pages. I'm agree that gun platform is a good way for upgrading Italian TDs, but also hope that won't take it too far to a Ghrille 15 and some really weird stuff.






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