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Spidergrenadier #8541 Posted Dec 07 2019 - 16:48

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Yay, 3 more episodes and the job would be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAv0mbINF4o&t=

 

Didn't know that KPZ 70 had been already presented in wot mobile vesion, it makes pastaboo chances a lot higher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svMuL0wHZEM


Edited by Spidergrenadier, Dec 07 2019 - 16:50.


RanLSX #8542 Posted Dec 07 2019 - 17:37

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View PostSpidergrenadier, on Dec 07 2019 - 10:48, said:

Yay, 3 more episodes and the job would be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAv0mbINF4o&t=

 

Didn't know that KPZ 70 had been already presented in wot mobile vesion, it makes pastaboo chances a lot higher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svMuL0wHZEM

Well done. I do believe that is the first time I've seen that Fiat 3000 film. It appears they have been training guys to roll under tanks for a very long time.



RanLSX #8543 Posted Dec 11 2019 - 20:31

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Article about the Progetto M35 from tank encyclopedia:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar-italy-progetto-m35-mod-46/

 

Good stuff:

In his book, “La Ricostruzione dell’Esercito” Gen. Rossi wrote:

Italian Original:


“Accenno anche alle caratteristiche che dovrebbe avere un carro armato di produzione nazionale, unicamente per completare la visione dei mezzi meccanici, per il caso sia giudicato possibile ed opportuno, come io ritengo, procedere a studi ed anche all’approntamento del prototipo.”
“Carro armato veloce, ben corazzato, non mastodontico, perchè resti nei limiti consentiti dalle nostre ferrovie e dalle nostre opere d’arte, ma tale da tener testa ai più progrediti carri esteri: peso dalle 30 alle 35 tonn., cannone di calibro intorno ai 75 mm, motore di 5-600 H.P. di tipo appositamente ad iniezione per la minor facilità di incendio del gasolio rispetto alla benzina.
Dal carro armato potrà trarsi il cannone semovente, utilizzando lo stesso scafo per un cannone da 90, od un obice di calibro maggiore”

– La Ricostruzione dell’Esercito, 1946

English translation:

“I mention the characteristics a national production tank should have solely to complete the vision of the mechanic vehicles, if it is considered viable and appropriate, as I think, proceed to studies and the preparation of a prototype.
Fast tank, well armored, not too big and heavy [like an elephant], provided it stays within the limits allowed by our railway and artwork [bridges, tunnels, etc.], but able to stand up to the most advanced tank of foreign countries: weight between 30 to 35 tons, cannon of a calibre around 75 mm, 500/600 HP engine specifically of injection type due to lower risk of fire compared to a gasoline engine.
From the tank, a self-propelled gun might be derived using the same hull for a 90 mm cannon or a howitzer of a larger caliber”

 

It sounds like he's just rehashing in 1946 the last project known to him at the time of armistice which appears to be the P43.

They should've just built the damn P43-P43bis series in real life and saved us all the headache. You know it's not too late!

"National Production Tank" probably meant it would get the same spring leaf bogie suspension as before because that is what the factories were geared for at the time. If everything was in such shambles, I suppose that is what they would have used. Then they would realize it sucked when approaching the 35 ton weight and added the Sahriano like suspension instead. Sound familiar?

View PostSpidergrenadier, on Dec 07 2019 - 10:44, said:

 

Good thing that they did focus attention on such an abomination, i do really hate those proghettos 46/65 for being such an insolent fake. BTW this is a good idea for a video presentations - the more people would be aware of potato liars, the more rarely they would attempt to repeat those actions.

I was going to say that Gen. Rossi's description might make the Pantera more justifiable, but there's no 90, no autoloader of any type mentioned. The P43 already gets a 75/50 but the engines (330hp-430hp) don't match his idea of a 500hp-600hp engine until the P43 bis and P43 ter jumping from 520hp-700hp. Then the Progetto gets a 652hp engine from the 80s? 

 

Where does this leave the Pantera on the fakeness scale compared to the Progetto?

  

I suppose I would have accepted this as a gun proposal for the P43, P43bis, and P43ter . I always wondered where the 75/50 came from. Am I to assume It was from Gen Rossi's description?

 

BTW, how the hell do you talk about a brand new national tank and don't even bother to draw a sketch? 

At least our tier 10  guy had a sketch and a description.



RanLSX #8544 Posted Dec 12 2019 - 18:14

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Detailed article about Italian hand grenades from Comando Supremo.

 

 https://comandosupremo.com/italian-hand-grenade/

The 2nd youtube video has a training film with a live-fire exercise between soldiers and M13s.

@ 2:24 of the film, he throws some kind of a rod or stick grenade between the drive sprocket and tracks and halts the tank. 

It looks like either the Breda Mod 42 or OTO mod 42.   


Edited by RanLSX, Dec 12 2019 - 18:17.


RanLSX #8545 Posted Dec 18 2019 - 22:53

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Overlord's blog covers some rare tanks that have been scrapped instead of restored.

http://overlord-wot.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-mbt-70-story-part-two.html

 

 

The Palmaria is mentioned at the end of the article:

"In other news, OTO Melara has joined in the scrapping madness. They recently are reported to have chopped up a prototype Palmaria hull for scrap. It is thought this was the prototype OF-40 hull as well."

 

Meh, they could always find one in Libya if they want one to restore.


Edited by RanLSX, Dec 18 2019 - 22:56.


RanLSX #8546 Posted Dec 19 2019 - 22:20

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A collection of authentic video featuring the Semovente 75/18:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsohw4yqk1Y

The video is about a minute and a half.

 

And colorized WW2, Italy in Africa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3sv4erO2qI

 


Edited by RanLSX, Dec 19 2019 - 22:21.


RanLSX #8547 Posted Dec 21 2019 - 22:01

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Since I'm the last to know, apparently Italian Heavy tanks are planned for a Branch. 

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/617204-italian-heavy-tank-branch-in-2020/page__pid__12350766

I'll post some quotes once I get some from the WOT link.

Link to the Article:

https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/general-news/2020-announcements/

Quote:

"Next year, we plan to release at least two new branches of different nations. One of them, most likely, will be a branch of heavy Italian tanks".

 

Sure hope the Fiat 2000 is in there.

 

The whole quote:

"We’re constantly looking for outstanding new vehicles and branches to add to World of Tanks. Our key purpose has always been to introduce tanks that will provide you with fresh, dynamic gameplay.

Next year, we plan to release at least two new branches of different nations. One of them, most likely, will be a branch of heavy Italian tanks.

We're still compiling a list of the most suitable vehicles, studying archival documents and blueprints, and working closely with historians. The composition of the branch is still not finalized, but there is no doubt that the new Italian heavy tanks will have familiar firing mechanics and will continue the tradition of the menacing medium tanks of this nation."

 

You can't go wrong with the multi- turret, barrel, track, and engine concept mentioned previously by the Ran. 

Soooo want a Fiat 2000 right now. 


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RanLSX #8548 Posted Dec 21 2019 - 22:28

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View PostRanLSX, on Sep 09 2019 - 15:57, said:

View PostSpidergrenadier, on Sep 16 2019 - 14:32, said:

So, the most speculative part is the HTs. It's sadly that GL and p75 projects  have to be shrinked in order to fill the gaps. Also i'm trying to find a Lione armor scheme just to now how bouncy can it possibly be (i've only found out info about a 70mm upper hull plate disposed at 68 degrees, which is actually enough to deflect most APCR or APDS shells in game). I'm also curious about your opinion for this thing down below:

 

 

 

Might as well catch up on Heavy tank stuff.

I think Spider has a part one of a heavy branch IIRC.

LOL, there it is right above me:

 

 


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View PostSpidergrenadier, on Dec 07 2019 - 10:48, said:

Yay, 3 more episodes and the job would be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAv0mbINF4o&t=

 

Didn't know that KPZ 70 had been already presented in wot mobile vesion, it makes pastaboo chances a lot higher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svMuL0wHZEM

 



Spidergrenadier #8550 Posted Dec 26 2019 - 22:31

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81egiMOMrNI

Merry Christmas, honored fellas, i've finished a branch with a less than month gap - such progress. I'm curious about what we'll face into new year. 

 

Same KPZ-70 from Blitz, but another footage, just to make people sure that WG wouldn't loose anything if suddenly managed to pick him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AbTIIXQjRw

 

 


Edited by Spidergrenadier, Dec 26 2019 - 22:32.


RanLSX #8551 Posted Dec 27 2019 - 02:04

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Well done Spider! That holiday work ethic is what separates us forum mega stars from the rest of the unwashed masses like these guys:

 http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/530584-planes-trains-and-t110s/page__st__42420__pid__12357380#entry12357380

I sooo want to take my stocking full of coals and pelt them.

 

 



RanLSX #8552 Posted Dec 31 2019 - 00:48

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Book about special operations during WW2 and Cold War:

https://www.analisidifesa.it/2019/12/cesare-ame-e-i-suoi-agenti-lintelligence-italiana-nella-seconda-guerra-mondiale/

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RanLSX #8553 Posted Jan 02 2020 - 19:57

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I got this article from the facebook page with the folks doing the Fiat 2000 rebuild:

https://cefalunews.org/2019/12/30/cento-anni-fa-veniva-presentato-alla-famiglia-reale-il-carro-fiat-2000/

There's some new picks I haven't seen before.

 

Link to the facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fiat2000/?ref=group_header



RanLSX #8554 Posted Jan 03 2020 - 18:27

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It's Italian heavy tank day!!!

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More like heavier for the above Fiat 3000 Tipo 'B'

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^Looks like the mobile fortress concept wins the great doctrinal debate. Some say that tanks in the future will only be good in that role and little else.

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^Too big for the battlefield? Not in my future!

I know they're oddities, but at least they're not boring:

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Finally Wargaming is going to unlock all the secrets of the GL Ansaldos. Italy's tank history will finally be complete!

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RanLSX #8555 Posted Jan 03 2020 - 18:32

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One more from the modern era just for the fun of it:

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Find the rest on here:

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RanLSX #8556 Posted Jan 06 2020 - 22:23

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More heavy tank discussion in that other game:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1308-heavy-vehicles/

Page four of the Italian heavy tanks has a real winner!

I like this one too:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/400468-possible-additions-to-italian-ground-forces/page/25/&tab=comments#comment-8371697

It has some interesting discussion about the OF-30

https://forum.warthu...comment=8324061
I remember that C.I.A. page like it was yesterday.

 



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More from the Warthunder Forum:

OF-40 with Thetis. Some good pics.

https://forum.warthu...comment=8312632

Has add on armor too. The next page has more pics and they say it is currently at the OTO factory.

 

This one has a better shot of its added turret cheek armor:

 https://forum.warthu...comment=8370615

 

Some discussion about EP & EPS:

https://forum.warthu...comment=8345522

 


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RanLSX #8558 Posted Jan 13 2020 - 06:48

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I just noticed the gold cross cannons emblem on the hatch:

 



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Article about the Semovente Moto Guzzi from tank encyclopedia:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-semovente-moto-guzzi/

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IIRC, I believe In the index on page 2 It was originally called the Ansaldo 1927, then the Moto Guzzi 75/17(incorrect gun), then Ansaldo 1927 again.  The name keeps changing in the index so it might be hard to find. Just look for Ansaldo or Moto Guzzi and you should be fine.

 

Anyway, I think if the Italians were so determined to have their L3s during the 1930s, they should have added a couple of Semovente Moto Guzzi battalions as well. Didn't the British eventually record or estimate 110mm penetration for the 65/17 EP or EPS?  They would have been pretty swell to have for guarding the Brenner Pass and fighting in the mountains later on. Might of helped in Greece as well. Assuming they weren't deployed right after a f&@!$ing rain storm.  



RanLSX #8560 Posted Jan 15 2020 - 17:58

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Yesterday I was just think of how cool it would be to incorporate the Moto Guzzi suspension into the Magrini, GL and some others:

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LOL,think of the complexities of adding it to multi track and multi engine tanks. IIRC, the Magrini had two electro power plants operating four engines which I suppose would have four drive sprockets.

The Turrinelli would have to be reworked so the suspension somehow hangs on the outside of the vehicle.

 

Anyway, just think of the awesomeness, multi tracks that are adjustable!  True mountain fighters. The mighty Autofortezza would be unstoppable.

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