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RanLSX #8581 Posted Feb 14 2020 - 23:21

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Italian trucks:

http://www.redov.ru/tehnicheskie_nauki/yenciklopedija_voennyh_avtomobilei_1769_2006_gg_s_ja/p123.php

Some cold war vehicles in there.

Sounds like they need something closer to the late forties to replace the R3 T20

https://forum.warthu...comment=8369522

 AR51 Campagnola 4 x 4 1951

Fiat TM 48

P40 ceremonial 1960s engine

Bonmartini TV-1000

 

"At the end of the 50s. FIAT designers began to create a family of unified aircraft transportable tactical trucks that met NATO requirements and had no analogues in the civilian program. The new 6600 series included some of the most original and advanced military vehicles of its time, designed for the installation of various weapons and the prospect of a long modernization, but it lasted only about 25 years. Its ancestors were the OM-6600 (6x6) truck, similar to the American M54 car, and the already mentioned FIAT-6601. In 1962, FIAT introduced the hoodless prototypes of the CP62 of a new generation of base cars with open cabs and a hinged windshield, which made it possible to reduce the overall height to 2130 mm. It was 4,"


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RanLSX #8582 Posted Feb 15 2020 - 18:02

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Getting back to the M11/39's penetration issue, I remembered this Warspot article about the Fiat 3000:

https://warspot.ru/12020-luchshiy-klon-renault-ft

Good points from the article:

 

"There is a misconception that guns with anti-tank capabilities appeared on tanks only in the 30s. In fact, this happened much earlier. The pioneers here became the British, who put on the Medium Tank Mk.I a 3-pound (47 mm) cannon, piercing 25 mm of armor. For the FIAT 3000, a 37-mm gun with a barrel length of 40 calibers was developed. The gun had a fairly high penetration characteristics, only slightly inferior to the German antitank gun 3.7 cm Pak that appeared later

 

I hate to say it guys but that's kinda worthy of the pastaboo roll call.

 

Some more:

"But thanks to other angles of inclination of the side sheets and a smaller bevel in the bow of the roof, its internal volume increased. The Italians abandoned the cast tower, since it turned out to be heavier than riveted."

 

So going riveted might not always be such a bad idea. I'm cataloging this one as Pastaboo worthy!

 

More recorded pen for the M11s 37/40:

https://forum.warthu...comment=8404444

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34mm @ 900m @ 90 degrees isn't bad. It conflicts with the Demarre but that's fine as long as everyone else has to use it.

I can still pop the side of early cruisers with that.

Compared to the Japanese 57mm I believe APHE or AP:

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Now let's look at some positives about its armor:

https://warspot.ru/12930-rabochaya-loshadka-italyanskoy-armii

"Even with such a strange arrangement, the Italian first-born middle class was far from the worst tank of its time. The car had 30 mm armor, a diesel engine and quite tolerable mobility. Medium tanks of that time had, as a rule, even less protection."

 

See! It's not even classed as the worst tank of all time. And remember that the Australians found the 30mm front to be proof against the 2 pounder. They didn't mention a range but that's not enough reason to eliminate it from the pastaboo roll call.

 

Think about it guys. You're rolling around the stinking desert and East Africa and the other guy has Mark 6 Bs, Universal Carriers, and Cruisers that you can still pen. Later on your friends arrive and they only have Panzer 1s, 2s and eventually a nice 3. 

Meanwhile you're enjoying a 37/40 with slightly less pen than the German 3.7 cm and you get 30mm pastaboo armor.

30mm pastaboo armor which has been certified proof against the 2 pounder. Sign me up!

 

I don't know about you, but if I only had some radios with those M11s, I might have been able to overun all of creation...well, at least until the matilda showed up. 

 


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RanLSX #8583 Posted Feb 15 2020 - 22:13

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So it appears they don't like the R3 T20 because its a SPAA:

 

https://forum.warthu...comment=8366961

 

Good counter point^

It has been in the game for a year and people are only spamming them now because of a current task that makes it beneficial to farm/ cap first, Something which it apparently excels at. 

 

It is a good point but I can see what the other guy is saying as well.

 

"As mentioned above, they then feed, flood the skies with (sub-par) early Italian airplanes, get shot down (or simply fly into the ground in their seven year old public schooler sugar rush) and then bail, to join and destroy yet another match.  This has several consequences: first, within, say... 5 minutes or so, their team is suddenly down three to four players.  And, in a 16 player per side match, that is one quarter of the team - almost insurmountable odds.  Furthermore, their team has No opportunity to gain access to early cap points which, generally, has a Significant effect on the mid to late game.  In addition, the R3 (despite the trolls "otherwise") is an inferior early combat unit (often running into T-34's and M4's, against which they have virtually no chance to do anything but feed) thus their team, while seeming to have an initial "push" advantage, extremely quickly loses that "advantage" and is quickly pushed back as armor and numbers begin to tell.  Thus, so far, their team is down (meaning GONE - to another match) three to four players, they did not get cap points so their follow up vehicles are inferior and they are without effective SPAA coverage mid/late game as those have been burned.

And this all happens within 4 minutes or so."

 

LOL, that's serious cap farming.

 

Either way I'll keep looking just in case it gets up tiered.  

 

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RanLSX #8584 Posted Feb 16 2020 - 00:20

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LOL, It does look fun.

R3 T20:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SscGZOwoK8U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XIYorGJCkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XIYorGJCkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeIaWKiGU1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGgO382z2M

 

The haters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoYa5Y1zDs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xIRbwWHVkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H0Tw2RJkqk

 

If it's that bad, up tier it. Don't remove it.

 

While we're on the subject, Fiat 6614 Argentina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZT9IPQg654

 

 


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RanLSX #8585 Posted Feb 18 2020 - 17:42

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View PostRanLSX, on Feb 14 2020 - 17:21, said:

Italian trucks:

http://www.redov.ru/tehnicheskie_nauki/yenciklopedija_voennyh_avtomobilei_1769_2006_gg_s_ja/p123.php

Some cold war vehicles in there.

Sounds like they need something closer to the late forties to replace the R3 T20

https://forum.warthu...comment=8369522

 AR51 Campagnola 4 x 4 1951

Fiat TM 48

P40 ceremonial 1960s engine

Bonmartini TV-1000

 

"At the end of the 50s. FIAT designers began to create a family of unified aircraft transportable tactical trucks that met NATO requirements and had no analogues in the civilian program. The new 6600 series included some of the most original and advanced military vehicles of its time, designed for the installation of various weapons and the prospect of a long modernization, but it lasted only about 25 years. Its ancestors were the OM-6600 (6x6) truck, similar to the American M54 car, and the already mentioned FIAT-6601. In 1962, FIAT introduced the hoodless prototypes of the CP62 of a new generation of base cars with open cabs and a hinged windshield, which made it possible to reduce the overall height to 2130 mm. It was 4,"

View PostRanLSX, on Feb 15 2020 - 16:13, said:

Either way I'll keep looking just in case it gets up tiered.  

 

BTW, do you like the way I'm cross managing other games as well as this one? And, don't forget, I'm also in charge of ESA Space Force!  (See last page)

Nicholas Concu from the WT forums found a nice replacement if necessary:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/476981-fiat-campagnola-cobra-anti-tank-missles-mosquito-anti-tank-misssles/

 

He unleashed more than just the Campagnola. I'll post the rest of the links after the picture posted by N.C.:

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It can use the Cobra or the Mosquito missiles. It only has two but can apparently have up to four. The German version has 8, IIRC.

Another vehicle:

M113 recoiless:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/476983-m113-recoiless-riflesenza-rinculo/

 

Iveco M.40:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/476619-iveco-m40-polyphem-carrier/

Campagnola w/ recoiless or TOW:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/470877-fiat-campagnola-tow-and-106sr/

AMX VCI:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/476820-amx-vci/

 

Check out the rest here:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/forum/1388-italy/

 

 

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RanLSX #8586 Posted Feb 20 2020 - 17:33

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Ansaldo light tank prototype 1931 from Tank Encyclopedia:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2-italy-anslado-light-tank-prototype-1931/

 



RanLSX #8587 Posted Feb 22 2020 - 17:44

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De Stephano carriage:

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 Obice de 305/17  

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/italian_front

 

Ferrari designed space ship:

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Broken promises:

https://newatlas.com/the-autovolantor-flying-car/9978/

 


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RanLSX #8588 Posted Feb 24 2020 - 19:31

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This was posted by Nicholas Concu on the WT forum:

https://forum.warthu...comment=8412484

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It looks to me like it was a fictional scratchbuild for a modelling competition (modellisimo).

 

Regardless, I swear I've seen a vehicle similar to this recently. The one I remember wasn't Italian or OTO. I think there's a robotic tank that looks similar. Or maybe French or American. 

 

The artist concept has a similar 3 roller wheel configuration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_ground_vehicle

It's about  3/4 they way down the article.


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RanLSX #8589 Posted Feb 24 2020 - 23:18

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Boeing, OTO Melara bombs:

http://www.defaiya.com/news/Joint%20Ventures/Joint%20Ventures/2010/01/21/boeing-oto-melara-sdb-co-production

Bombs away!

 

And latest Palmaria in Libya news:

https://comandosupremo.com/forums/index.php?threads/palmaria-spg.90/#post-1954

 

That puts them in service much later than I thought. The last one was believed to be destroyed months ago.

 


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RanLSX #8590 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 17:48

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     L3/33s in El Salvado:

  https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/el-salvador-m3a1-stuart-salvadoran-service/

It's only briefly mentioned. The article is really about the M3a1 Stuart.

 

Italian Front in WWI:

  https://warspot.ru/6214-sardinskie-polki-na-plato-asiago



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View PostRanLSX, on Feb 03 2020 - 11:55, said:

It looks like they run historic battles with captured Italian vehicles over at WT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn1xgg3g2fs

Some sort of Advance to the Rhine map.

I was thinking of some kind of Udine to Ozak scenario with P40s escaping Shermans and  ending at Aquino airfield with a Bassotto.

http://www.panzer-ozak.it/

They say 1945 was a reeeeally bad year for the Axis, so I think some kind of a fighting withdraw scenario would be in order.

 

WOT Battle in Asia with P40 fighting on a map I don't even recognize:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wMzzLqhaLw

Reminds me a little bit of Abbey.

 

I must say the maps for both games look rather sharp.

 

Flames of War claims it has a photo of the Bassotto StuG M43 105/25 (i) that was captured at Aquino airport 

  https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=244

I think Panzerwrecks had a picture somewhere.

  http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/italy/spg/DA_105_25/Da-105_25-1.html

 

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While we are on the subject of the Bassotto, the War thunder forum has this unique version with added armor and side skirts.

 https://forum.warthu...comment=8379388

"Spaced Armor in the front and sides" 

 


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RanLSX #8592 Posted Feb 27 2020 - 21:58

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View PostRanLSX, on Feb 08 2020 - 15:04, said:

IXV Sith troopers working on the IXV spaceplane:

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Recovery:

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Since I'm self proclaimed in charge of Space Force, I think these photos are necessary. Who knows when the next space game will come along?

View PostRanLSX, on Jan 18 2020 - 13:34, said:

Since it's been in the news lately, I decided to take it upon myself to create Italy's Space Force:

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Top right clockwise: The IXV SpacePlane  Drone followed by astronauts training in caves, The San Marco satellite, B1 Porcupine (Wheeled), Porcupine defense remote tower, and Centauro the kill bot.  

As the Administrator, Commander, Budget Director, Comptroller, Head Minister of Propaganda, and overall President of the ESA Space Force, I wanted to add a comic book for your entertainment: 

 https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/19489086/tania-digilife-be-esa

What does this have to do with tanks?

Nothing. Except for the heavy tank that I will soon be selecting for our new Space Landing Corps.  

LOL,  "I wanted to add a comic book"

The forced diversity is stronk with this one. The Off Topic Sci Fi club is going to go nuts.

 



RanLSX #8593 Posted Feb 28 2020 - 21:06

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Footage of various Italian tanks in motion:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Try-a_-ZQ

 

Storia D' Italia,

P40:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73glOvOYTXU

M42 75/34:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZW4Xy9U8Aw

Rossini CV.3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtMujPha6kg

 

There's a bunch more from here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyelWkwSs4F3yCPj-55suEA

 

 



RanLSX #8594 Posted Feb 29 2020 - 21:42

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Some Italian vehicles during Operation IBIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpTYnwkjKyg

@ 0;29 it looks like a VCC-1.

@ 1:27  & 2:07 features some eye tank candy.

@ 2:16 there's some Fiat 6614s on patrol.

 

VCC-1:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Italy/VCC-1_Camillino.php

 

Operation IBIS:

http://www.esercito.difesa.it/en/Operations/international-operations/Pagine/Somalia-UNOSOM-Ibis.aspx



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^From same series as above, here's one from Checkpoint Pasta:

https://comandosupre...nt.92/post-2008

 

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Battle of Keren from Commando Supremo:

https://comandosupremo.com/battle-of-keren/

 

Compare the maps to Forgotten Hope 2 and I think you'll be impressed.

 



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which ones do you think will show up in the Italian heavies tech tree?

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View PostiDestroya, on Mar 03 2020 - 18:05, said:

which ones do you think will show up in the Italian heavies tech tree?

I want the Fiat 2000 and the GL Ansaldo multi turrets. They are my priority, not really Wargamings.

 

I think Wargaming will use the auto reloader for tanks like the OTO KPZ-70 and maybe the Giocomini tank patent. I really don't know what else they could put it on except a lighter OTO Centauro which is hardly a heavy. Maybe with an auto reloader it would qualify as heavier than normal leopards.

If you go back a couple of pages you can see some choices. Spider made a heavy tank youtube video and I have an old collage  of heavies from MS paint. 

 

I think the Giocomini is already stretching it so hopefully they won't just create pure fiction. I don't know much about this auto reloader so I can't really say what should get it or not. Hypothetically, If they didn't put it in any vehicles at all and it existed in print, then I would probably be wanting it as an upgrade.        



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New Villar Perosa 1915 video from Rob Brassington posted on Warspot:

https://warspot.ru/4319-ne-takoy-kak-vse

 

Test bed for the Scam 4x4 Mistral from WT:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/455163-scam-4x4-mistral/

"This vehicle has been created to show that the Mistral Atlas launcher could be fitted on top of pretty much any vehicle"

 

  


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Add on Armor for the Fiat 6614  from WT:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/458463-add-on-armor-for-fiat-6614/

 

AAV-7 variants:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/467493-aav7variants/

 

Cheetah:

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/468763-lamborghini-cheetah/

 

I like the Cobra and Mosquito jeeps the best since they can fill gaps. The M113 recoilless isn't bad either. 

 

 






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