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Life_In_Black #861 Posted Jun 14 2013 - 19:32

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View PostVollketten, on Jun 14 2013 - 18:53, said:

look at what the two guys at the back are doing...
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better hope the engine is cold and no one is smoking.....maybe they are just topping up the radiator but it looks like they are pouring a bucket of petrol into the tankette

I didn't even notice the bucket. But yeah, I can't imagine that being a good idea.

Vollketten #862 Posted Jun 14 2013 - 19:57

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This: http://xoomer.virgil...lierie_2gm.html website has a heck of lot of gun information on Italian artillery.


Foreign supplied weapons to the Italians by the Germans either free or bought by the Italians:
  • 47/32 M 35 and M 39 quantity: 2763 (same as Breda 47/32) from Dutch stock.
  • 75/27 M 11 quantity: 26.
  • 75/34 M 97/38 quantity: 202 the French 75mm for anti tank service.
  • 75/34 CA M 97/38 quantity: 332 French 75mm AA gun.
  • 75/43 M 40 quantity: 138 possibly an anti-aircraft gun.
  • 75/46 M 32 quantity: 20 this is the Vickers 7.5 cm Flak M 35 (h).
  • Skoda 75/50 M 37 quantity: 42
  • 75/51 M 32 quantity: 84 another AA gun but possibly French.
  • Skoda Howitzer 100/22 M 14/19 Quantity: 400 from Czech stocks
  • Schnieder 105/29 M 29 Quantity: 12
  • Skoda 105/ ? M 35 Quantity: 4 from Czech stock

Other guns and items:
  • German 2 cm Flak 28 (or 2 cm Flak 29) (60 calibers) - in Italian service known as Cannone-Mitragliera da 20 Oerlikon
  • German 3.7 cm Pak 162(I) (Pak 36) (45 calibers) in Italian service known as Cannone da 37/45 -  about 150 bought or supplied or licence built (with modifications) by the end of 1940/start of 1941.
  • 47/32 Pak (ö)  - 1941
  • 47/32 Pak (h) - 1941
  • Austrian 4.7 cm Böhler Model 35 AT Gun (47/39) in Italian service known as Cannone da 47/35 (caliber number is different due to different methods of measuring it) modello 35 - German designation: 4.7 cm Pak 177(I)
  • License built (and slightly modified) Italian 4.7 cm Böhler Model 35 (47/35.8) AT Gun (caliber number is different due to different methods of measuring it) in Italian service known as Cannone da 47/32 Modello 1939
  • Italian 4.7 cm Böhler Model 35 license built mortar with some modifications version of Germany 5 cm leGrW 36 Mortar.
  • Deport (French) 75mm (75/28.4) Field Gun in Italian service known as Cannone da 75/27 Modello 1911 - German designation: 7,5 cm FK 244(I)
  • Captured Ammunition 4.7 cm Panzerabwehrkanone 177(i) (AP), 4,7 cm Spr Gr Patr 177/11 (i) (HE), and 4,7 cm Pz Gr Patr 177/31 (I) (AP), in Italian service with the Cannone 47/32 Modello 35. Licence built ammunition for Bohler guns made in Italy.
    French Canon de 75 modèle 1897  (75/34) mounted on the German 5 cm PaK 38 carriage in Italian service known as Cannone da 75/39 (caliber number is different due to different methods of measuring it) - German designation: 7.5 cm Pak 97/38

  • German 8.8 cm Flak 18 (or Flak 36)(56 calibers) in Italian service known as Cannone da 88/56 mod. 36. first guns delivered June 1940. OTO also built compenonts such as barrels for the Italians and Germans)
  • Skoda 100/22 Field Howitzer mod 14/19: 347 captured from Greece and Yugoslavia (former Polish army stock) _ Note apparently this could also fire the Skoda 100/17 rounds. - in Italian service known as Obice da 100/24 (caliber number is different due to different methods of measuring it)
  • 7.5 cm PaK 97/38: Quantity >54 in Italian service known as Cannone da 75/38 - 1942
  • Cannone da 75/27 (old and/or obsolescent)
  • Cannone c.c. da 25/72 (old and/or obsolescent)
  • French 87B-2,
  • French Ju 87R-2
  • French Ju 87D-2
  • French Ju 87D-3
  • French Ju 87B-2: Quantity 50 -1940
  • French Ju 87: Quantity 46
  • German 15 cm sFH 18 Heavy Howitzer (29.5 calibers) - in Italian service known as Obice da 149/28 (149.1mm) (caliber number is different due to different methods of measuring it)

Tanks and Sturmgescutz:
  • 12 x Pzkfw III N,
  • 12 x Pzkfw IV G,
  • 12 x StuG III G
  • French Somua R-35: Quantity 3 - 1942 (almost no spares)
  • and a flak train which was a personal gift from Hitler to Mussolini in 1940.

Edited by Vollketten, Jun 14 2013 - 20:45.


sp15 #863 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 11:48

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Hi i found quite a bit of information (in russian) that might intrest you guys

http://www.tankinfo....art_period1.php

http://www.tankinfo....art_period2.php

hopefully this contains some tanks or information you didnt already know about
also nice work Vollketten

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Imperator_Gallogrecia #864 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 21:37

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View Postsp15, on Jun 15 2013 - 11:48, said:

Hi i found quite a bit of information (in russian) that might intrest you guys

http://www.tankinfo....art_period1.php

http://www.tankinfo....art_period2.php

hopefully this contains some tanks or information you didnt already know about
also nice work Vollketten
things of interest
1.Light Tank "Ansaldo AKA ЛЁГКИЙ ТАНК "Ансальдо"
14. Light Tank "Fiat-Ansaldo 5-ton" AKA ЛЁГКИЙ ТАНК "Фиат-Ансальдо 5-тонный"
15. Light tank Fiat Ansaldo 8-ton AKA ЛЁГКИЙ ТАНК "Фиат-Ансальдо 8-тонный"
16-19. types of L6/40's
And then further supporting my m14/41 type of p.40 the 5 types of p.40s (27-31)

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sp15 #865 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 21:38

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also some info on the skoda t22
the info is from the most recent FTR article

Italy also showed some interest, because the Italian tank production capacities were insufficient, while the Italian army was bleeding in Africa and in the Balkans. On 9.10.1940, Italian delegation came to Pilsen. Italians were very interested in the T-11 and T-21 tanks, but in the end, the last decision was on the Germans. In February 1941, Italians and Germans met in Berlin to discuss this matter. Initial German response was warm and it was decided a prototype would be tested in May 1941 near Rome. The results were somewhat mixed: while the vehicle had good terrain passability and handled well, overheating still was a huge problem. Italians kept on discussing the matter in Pilsen until October 1941, but in the end, the Germans didn’t approve Škoda to produce the vehicles for Italy and that was the end of it. On 13.10.1941, Italy withdrew from the negotiations.

Characteristics:
Crew: 4
Weight: 16,7 tons
Engine: Škoda V8, 13,8 liter, 240hp (earlier V6, 190hp)
Armor: Front – 30mm, sides – 10mm
Gun: 47mm Škoda A9
Speed: 50 km/h

sp15 #866 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 21:48

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and here is another russian site

http://www.aviarmor....taly/_italy.htm

Imperator_Gallogrecia #867 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 21:55

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View Postsp15, on Jun 15 2013 - 21:48, said:

and here is another russian sitehttp://www.aviarmor....taly/_italy.htm
important notes p.75 post p.40 aswell as pre p.40 so now two can be on the tree,

Imperator_Gallogrecia #868 Posted Jun 15 2013 - 21:57

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I was looking back on the post and that tank vollketton posted and and i called p.40 mk 2 looks alot like a m14/41 so perhaps thats the p.40 ive been talking about thats based on a m14/41 with more slopes
overall well done sp15 u remind me of me when i started on this post commin outta nowhere and getting a few tanks on your first post
word of advice though try and outline important info from the sights so people no why there clicking on the sight it speeds stuff up
sorry if i sound pompous dont meen it

Edited by Imperator_Gallogrecia, Jun 15 2013 - 23:12.


Vollketten #869 Posted Jun 17 2013 - 14:08

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Vollketten #870 Posted Jun 17 2013 - 14:26

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I have a big gap at tier 6 mediums I would this CMC tank to fill but with that gun I don't think it is Tier 6 material. I could make it tier 5 and stagger back the whole medium line which would make the tanks in that line much more competitive. I would appreciate your thoughts.

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View PostVollketten, on Jun 17 2013 - 08:26, said:


I have a big gap at tier 6 mediums I would this CMC tank to fill but with that gun I don't think it is Tier 6 material. I could make it tier 5 and stagger back the whole medium line which would make the tanks in that line much more competitive. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Whatever occupies that tier will probably need the 90mm, 102mm or 105mm to compete.
A quick list of tanks at that tier from other countries:
T-21, M4A3E8, M4A3E2, Cromwell, Churchill VII, Vk 36.01 H and D, Amx12t, ARL 44, T34-85, KV-1s, Type 58,Type 59-16

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FYI it looks like your images on your second post aren't embedded properly :(

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View Postlostwingman, on Jun 17 2013 - 21:53, said:

FYI it looks like your images on your second post aren't embedded properly :(
Really?, they look okay to me at my end. If they turn out crappy I'll replace them.

Speaking of photos though; a nice one not previous posted here:
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Arvondor #876 Posted Jun 17 2013 - 22:56

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Wow, that's a cool looking tank.

rivit #877 Posted Jun 18 2013 - 14:07

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Do tier III vehicles have access to all the maps in the game? I know I should know this, but I can't remember. I think the Chi-Ha does and that's at tier III.

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Arvondor #878 Posted Jun 18 2013 - 14:55

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Not in a Tier III battle. However, Tier III tanks should have access to all maps when they are placed in a Tier IV or Tier V battle, though.

At least, I believe that's correct.

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I believe you are correct Arvondor about the map-tiering. As new maps get added the problem will get less noticeable.

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If THIS is true then why after 44 pages have we not even got a vague acknowledgement of the work done:

From WoT news 19/6/13
"- developers are aware of the various fan-made trees, they have been corresponding with some sensible discussion participants from the threads dedicated to these fan-made trees. On this, SerB states that players in general have little authentic info on Japanese tech"




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