Was there ever any blueprints for the E-50M?
SULOMON
Jan 22 2013
Did WG ever find any blue prints for the E-50M or did they just figure the Germans would of designed an E-50M?
tvanderhart
Jan 22 2013
Well, according to the historical section on the Wiki page, there were at least plans for it.
http://wiki.worldoft...om/E-50_Ausf._M
http://wiki.worldoft...om/E-50_Ausf._M
Priory_of_Sion
Jan 22 2013
Plans, not blueprints.
In Panzer Tracts 20-1 it states the E-50 & E-75 were to have rear transmissions, however the actual blueprints for the hulls of the E-50/75 show that a rear transmission would be impossible.
In Panzer Tracts 20-1 it states the E-50 & E-75 were to have rear transmissions, however the actual blueprints for the hulls of the E-50/75 show that a rear transmission would be impossible.
Priory_of_Sion
Jan 22 2013
Whee, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:15, said:
What of the E-75M? Does that exist?
The E-50 and E-75 chassis were only different in suspension and armor. Layout and location of transmission would be the exact same. Therefore an E-75M would make some sense.
Kankou
Jan 22 2013
I'll just post these two links to Overlord's blog. Judge for yourselves.
[WoT] The Notorious Transmission Thing
[WoT] Transmission Response from Mr. Doyle
For those who don't want to read, here's what Mr. Doyle has to say about the rear transmission idea:
So yes, there were proposals, but no, there were no blueprints given the hole Germany was in anyway.
[WoT] The Notorious Transmission Thing
[WoT] Transmission Response from Mr. Doyle
For those who don't want to read, here's what Mr. Doyle has to say about the rear transmission idea:
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Most are original calculation sheets on possible drive train and suspension ideas. My drawings are based on the sketches attached. Clearly, these first thoughts and proposals on future Panzer requirements were never given any priority and as the war situation deteriorated. To me the “real“ engine/transmission package designers from Maybach never actively got involved and the armour designers certainly had not considered how a rear drive might be mounted. What we see are proposals “that are the best ideas since sliced bread” being pushed by fringe companies and they certainly had no authority to design the necessary new armoured hull.
So yes, there were proposals, but no, there were no blueprints given the hole Germany was in anyway.
reaper762
Jan 22 2013
The E50 Ausf M was how the E50/E75/E100 series tanks were originally supposed to be designed with the rear mounted transmission as requested by the Wehrmacht because the front mounted transmission was unreliable.
Dayus
Jan 22 2013
Priory_of_Sion, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:15, said:
Plans, not blueprints.
In Panzer Tracts 20-1 it states the E-50 & E-75 were to have rear transmissions, however the actual blueprints for the hulls of the E-50/75 show that a rear transmission would be impossible.
In Panzer Tracts 20-1 it states the E-50 & E-75 were to have rear transmissions, however the actual blueprints for the hulls of the E-50/75 show that a rear transmission would be impossible.
andrewcarr1993
Jan 22 2013
It seems to me they just took the E-50 (which had real blueprints) and then just made it shoot APCR and heat.
Kankou
Jan 22 2013
Dayus, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:40, said:
e75 physically cannot have a front transmission, there was a guy who did a garry's mod showing how the frontal transmission would stick out halfway.
I'm pretty sure I would listen to Mr. Doyle rather than a modder.
Basically, aren't all the "frontal transmission is impossible" crowd saying it without having the amount of knowledge experts have?
Dayus
Jan 22 2013
Kankou, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:44, said:
I'm pretty sure I would listen to Mr. Doyle rather than a modder.
Basically, aren't all the "frontal transmission is impossible" crowd saying it without having the amount of knowledge experts have?
Basically, aren't all the "frontal transmission is impossible" crowd saying it without having the amount of knowledge experts have?
But i guess you'd rather ignore physics right?
Tiger_23
Jan 22 2013
Kankou, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:44, said:
I'm pretty sure I would listen to Mr. Doyle rather than a modder.
Basically, aren't all the "frontal transmission is impossible" crowd saying it without having the amount of knowledge experts have?
Basically, aren't all the "frontal transmission is impossible" crowd saying it without having the amount of knowledge experts have?
Dayus, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:48, said:
Using the e75 model used in world of tanks, you physically cannot fit a transmission in the front of the e75, to do such you would need to nerf the angle on the e75 and ignore its intent.
But i guess you'd rather ignore physics right?
But i guess you'd rather ignore physics right?
http://forum.worldof...75-front-drive/
Kankou
Jan 22 2013
More like I would listen to the expert who writes and makes CAD for a living rather than someone who just has a cursory look at a game model and say "physics".
Kankou
Jan 22 2013
Tiger_23, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:51, said:
Read the below quote:
Kankou, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:21, said:
I'll just post these two links to Overlord's blog. Judge for yourselves.
[WoT] The Notorious Transmission Thing
[WoT] Transmission Response from Mr. Doyle
For those who don't want to read, here's what Mr. Doyle has to say about the rear transmission idea:
So yes, there were proposals, but no, there were no blueprints given the hole Germany was in anyway.
[WoT] The Notorious Transmission Thing
[WoT] Transmission Response from Mr. Doyle
For those who don't want to read, here's what Mr. Doyle has to say about the rear transmission idea:
Quote
Most are original calculation sheets on possible drive train and suspension ideas. My drawings are based on the sketches attached. Clearly, these first thoughts and proposals on future Panzer requirements were never given any priority and as the war situation deteriorated. To me the “real“ engine/transmission package designers from Maybach never actively got involved and the armour designers certainly had not considered how a rear drive might be mounted. What we see are proposals “that are the best ideas since sliced bread” being pushed by fringe companies and they certainly had no authority to design the necessary new armoured hull.
So yes, there were proposals, but no, there were no blueprints given the hole Germany was in anyway.
Kankou
Jan 22 2013
For additional information, there is My. Doyle's Q&A section with relevant quotes:
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13. Was there ever a design push to move the drive assembly (transmission) of German tanks to the rear, as was found in their Russian counterparts?
Yes, at least at the “experimental” level designers were considering rear mounted final drives as part of “power pack concept” to simplify maintenance. However, front drive was seen as being a good solution no decision had been taken.
Advanced design of this feature can be seen in the E-10, E-25 projects. “Project B Antrieb” was the name of drive train project that would have combined a 1200 horsepower Maybach engine with a Mekydro 8-speed combined transmission and steering unit for rear drive in the E-100 but this would have involved moving the motor compartment forward and necessitated an entirely new hull shape.
Yes, at least at the “experimental” level designers were considering rear mounted final drives as part of “power pack concept” to simplify maintenance. However, front drive was seen as being a good solution no decision had been taken.
Advanced design of this feature can be seen in the E-10, E-25 projects. “Project B Antrieb” was the name of drive train project that would have combined a 1200 horsepower Maybach engine with a Mekydro 8-speed combined transmission and steering unit for rear drive in the E-100 but this would have involved moving the motor compartment forward and necessitated an entirely new hull shape.
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20. Would it be possible for E-75 and E-50 to have rear transmissions?
Yes, but a lot of design and development work would have been needed. See my answer to Question 13.
Yes, but a lot of design and development work would have been needed. See my answer to Question 13.
EnsignExpendable
Jan 22 2013
Of course there were blueprints. The French got their hands on them and did a whole bunch of designs based off the E-50. Let me try to dig up some that SerB posted.
EnsignExpendable
Jan 22 2013
SHISHKABOB
Jan 22 2013
Dayus, on Jan 22 2013 - 19:48, said:
Using the e75 model used in world of tanks, you physically cannot fit a transmission in the front of the e75, to do such you would need to nerf the angle on the e75 and ignore its intent.
But i guess you'd rather ignore physics right?
But i guess you'd rather ignore physics right?
uh dude it's a vidya game, I'm p sure they can make the transmission however large they like.
