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MissBehaving #41 Posted Mar 29 2013 - 06:00

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Victory!
Map:  Fisherman's Bay
Date: Thursday, March 28, 2013 10:24:08 PM
Vehicle: 113
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My first battle in my 113 tonight..... all I can say is, you are doing it wrong.

nites_say_ni #42 Posted Mar 29 2013 - 07:26

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This ! Post ! Is ! Hilarious ! Bro sounds like u just need to do more research about what tanks you want. And also if it has a really strong front plate it makes sense if everything else is going to be a little bit weaker.

alex08060 #43 Posted Apr 02 2013 - 03:08

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Well the US and Russian server has a decent WR for this tank around 50 to 52% so not so bad, may need to angling this tank a lot at a distance.

MilesCadre #44 Posted Apr 08 2013 - 14:44

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just got my 113 2 days ago

according to my stats (mind these all are pub games)

25 battles
13 victories
11 defeats
1 draw
7 battles survived

25 destroyed in battle
5 maximum in battle
76% hit ratio
45,273 damage dealt

18,356 xp earned
734 average xp gain
1,504 max xp earned

Those stats are about average, and I'm a below average tier 10 tanker (look at my other tier 9/10 tanks). So youre obviously doing something wrong here.

113 is a great SUPPORT tank. I deflect about 6K damage a game usually and deal anywhere from 3-4K damage easily.

reminds me of my more recent game where a bat chat was rippin on how 113 was garbage and sucked. I blasted him with ease and asked him "Think 113 is so bad now?" Satisfaction ^^

EDIT: also, drop the "a tier 7 can kill me!" routine. I can kill a E-100, and even a maus if I'm diligent enough in my Panther. And thats a tier 7 medium.

Hell, I racked a IS-7 (surprised, right? =P) in my Panther before it switched ot panther 2 WAAAAAAAY long ago. And IS-7s are insane in their frontal armor.

Tier doesnt say strength. It even says it in the beginning of some matches "Even the heaviest of tans will fall without support". Most tier 7s I know have at least 200mm penetration. thats more than enough to rip apart most tier 9/10 tanks if you're somewhat intelligent and know how/where to aim.

Also, with the advent of premium ammo for credits, tier 7s are more than capable of hurting tier 10s. Hell, I had a tiger penetrate the frontal plate of my maus twice in a row before I lit him up. APCR hurts =P

Edited by MilesCadre, Apr 08 2013 - 14:55.


DirtyPicklez #45 Posted Apr 08 2013 - 20:28

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Great tank on the test server I found. Looking forward to getting it.

Edited by slipperyfrog, Apr 08 2013 - 20:29.


Heavygibman #46 Posted Apr 09 2013 - 08:57

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on test server i found the front armor bouncy but the gun was kinda lacking imo it needs a RoF bump as this tank is only good in forward or reverse roles dont play peek a boom... instead cut the corner a bit and drive forward and back wards so you front is exposed.

It moves pretty quick and most people try to aim at ur lower plate if you drive forward a good amount of those round hit your slope instead of lower glacies it really is meant to brawl.... and man other than is crap gun and habit of lighting on fire I kinda liked the tank.

MilesCadre #47 Posted Apr 09 2013 - 13:58

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View PostHeavygibman, on Apr 09 2013 - 08:57, said:

on test server i found the front armor bouncy but the gun was kinda lacking imo it needs a RoF bump as this tank is only good in forward or reverse roles dont play peek a boom... instead cut the corner a bit and drive forward and back wards so you front is exposed.

It moves pretty quick and most people try to aim at ur lower plate if you drive forward a good amount of those round hit your slope instead of lower glacies it really is meant to brawl.... and man other than is crap gun and habit of lighting on fire I kinda liked the tank.

gun has slightly more dpm than a t110E5.

113: 440 x 5.5 = 2420
110E5: 400 x 6 = 2400
IS-4: 440 x 5 = 2200
IS-7: 490 x 4.38 = ~2146 (2146.2)
Maus: 490 x 4.03 = ~1975 (1974.7)
E-100 (128): 490 x 4.2 = 2058
E-100 (150): 750 x 3 = 2250
FV215b: 400 x 6.9 = 2760

So aside from the 215b (which is a freak of nature as it is), it boasts the highest dpm of any tier 10 heavy tank currently, just 20 dpm more than the venerable 110e5.

Gun aint garbage ;) if anything, maus needs a boost in firepower <_<

Rokuzachi #48 Posted Apr 09 2013 - 17:25

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Lots of fun in the right situation.

Angled slightly back on a hill, I was able to deflect 5 consecutive shots from an IS-7, a few from an E5 and one from a 183 before someone bothered to flank me and put an end to my turtle defense. Looking forward to getting it on the live server.

Heavygibman #49 Posted Apr 09 2013 - 17:27

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View PostMilesCadre, on Apr 09 2013 - 13:58, said:

gun has slightly more dpm than a t110E5.

113: 440 x 5.5 = 2420
110E5: 400 x 6 = 2400
IS-4: 440 x 5 = 2200
IS-7: 490 x 4.38 = ~2146 (2146.2)
Maus: 490 x 4.03 = ~1975 (1974.7)
E-100 (128): 490 x 4.2 = 2058
E-100 (150): 750 x 3 = 2250
FV215b: 400 x 6.9 = 2760

So aside from the 215b (which is a freak of nature as it is), it boasts the highest dpm of any tier 10 heavy tank currently, just 20 dpm more than the venerable 110e5.

Gun aint garbage ;) if anything, maus needs a boost in firepower <_<

In theory yes but it tends to bounce a decent amount I wasnt flinging pure gold so I like to test more realistically.

I do agree with you about the maus it needs RoF bump bad at least then it be more of a threat.

Edited by Heavygibman, Apr 09 2013 - 17:29.


MilesCadre #50 Posted Apr 09 2013 - 23:39

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View PostHeavygibman, on Apr 09 2013 - 17:27, said:

In theory yes but it tends to bounce a decent amount I wasnt flinging pure gold so I like to test more realistically.

I do agree with you about the maus it needs RoF bump bad at least then it be more of a threat.
Maus is a threat in itself for being the heaviest armored tank in the game. its a bullet sponge and does its job frightenly well.

As for the 113, idk what yer doin, but I dont bounce all that much with my 113 unless I fire at the wrong places (IE front hull of 110 series, frontal of most german tanks, etc)

ironcladtanker #51 Posted Apr 15 2013 - 21:41

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Played it on test, seems like quite a formidable machine in my book (inspite of the armor).

RKVersion1 #52 Posted Apr 16 2013 - 08:08

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Had a match on the test server earlier today:

12 shots deflected off the FUG for 7 k potential and dished out around 6k damage. Won the game for my team with 1 second on the clock.

It was seriously insane.

Cant wait to pick this up on the live server. Currently grinding the 110 which is also pretty B.A.

XxFinal_RestxX #53 Posted Apr 21 2013 - 01:24

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lol bouncy ? unless u hide behind a rock or something to cover ur lower plate  ( any tank can be bouncy if u hide ur lower plate ) but in battles dont expect it to do any good because anywhere else on the 113 is just like a french tank and the diver is holding gas tank at lower plate + u`ll get ammo rack at lower plate . Thats mean everytime u go in a battle make sure carry a rock with ya so ya can cover ur lower plate

mig31foxhound #54 Posted Apr 23 2013 - 16:19

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Why some people like to think straight forward rather than apply it? "Heavy tank is a thick, high hp, slow frontliner", "Medium tank is a agile, fast firing flanker", "Light tank is a scout", "Tank Destroyer is a sniper" I always hear these word out of newcomers but are you newcomer? No, you're not a newcomer but you act like them. There are 2 kind of people who think that way, first is newcomer, and second is square headed player who can't accept anything not-the-way-they-think/want. You played for almost 7000 matches you're surely not a newcomer then you're a square headed player.

The question is why Heavy Tanks must play like heavy tank when they designed to be a medium tank or even a tank destroyer?

I find that 113 is very effective playing as medium tank. I don't mind having weak armor but give me some mobility and a decent gun (see my tier 10s?).

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skyf24 #55 Posted Apr 23 2013 - 21:51

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This thread really explains why the OP has almost 1200 games in the 113. Says he hates it, but is one of his most played tanks. lol.

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View Postanhtheky, on Apr 21 2013 - 01:24, said:

lol bouncy ? unless u hide behind a rock or something to cover ur lower plate  ( any tank can be bouncy if u hide ur lower plate ) but in battles dont expect it to do any good because anywhere else on the 113 is just like a french tank and the diver is holding gas tank at lower plate + u`ll get ammo rack at lower plate . Thats mean everytime u go in a battle make sure carry a rock with ya so ya can cover ur lower plate
I've gone against a 113 on an IS-7 and that tank actually beat me because it has a hgh RoF. Check your stats first.

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View Postmig31foxhound, on Apr 23 2013 - 16:19, said:

Why some people like to think straight forward rather than apply it? "Heavy tank is a thick, high hp, slow frontliner", "Medium tank is a agile, fast firing flanker", "Light tank is a scout", "Tank Destroyer is a sniper" I always hear these word out of newcomers but are you newcomer? No, you're not a newcomer but you act like them. There are 2 kind of people who think that way, first is newcomer, and second is square headed player who can't accept anything not-the-way-they-think/want. You played for almost 7000 matches you're surely not a newcomer then you're a square headed player.

The question is why Heavy Tanks must play like heavy tank when they designed to be a medium tank or even a tank destroyer?

I find that 113 is very effective playing as medium tank. I don't mind having weak armor but give me some mobility and a decent gun (see my tier 10s?).

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I completely agree with your assessment.  There are certain heavy tanks and even medium tanks that if played a different style then what it's title says does a hell of a lot better than for it's intended role.  However, I think what is going on is what many of us Tier 10 drivers go through in every match we play our top tier tanks......TIER PRESSURE (no pun intended).  What I mean is that for example, the Vk 4502 (A) is a german heavy tank that has cruddy armor and a somewhat bouncy gun, but is more mobile then some of the other Tier 8 tanks.  When put up against it's Tier 8 companions it would usually get its a$$ kicked.  Some people asked me how the it was when I was driving it and I suggested to drive it like a medium and you'll do fine since most meds will have a harder time contending with you and you are mobile enough to face off against meds in areas of the map where meds usually congregate.

Some matches have you on the very top of the list or sometimes THE top tank on your team.  This is when Tier Pressure sets in.  You know your playstyle, but now you feel you have a resposibility for the team to act like the top heavy and square off against the other heavies, because if you don't then your team mates will be wondering then cursing or blasting your name for being a "coward" or not going where your team's heavies are going.  This has happened to me a couple of matches and when I try to explain it to "experienced" tankers they just....well.....flip you the bird pretty much.

The point is you need to play your tank in the style YOU find more effective for you and stick with it.  Give it a couple of matches and you might start noticing that not only is your WR ratio starting to go up, but you might start enjoying rocking with your tank.

Edited by Darth_Revan_087, May 08 2013 - 09:16.


ShadowXAXA #58 Posted May 10 2013 - 07:34

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Don't be stupid why do you think the gun got 400mm pen with gold?
Because you USE IT WITH GOLD!

Torenico #59 Posted Jun 14 2013 - 05:50

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Armor isn't everything, friend, play French tanks and you'll understand.

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View Postanhtheky, on Feb 02 2013 - 02:58, said:

tier 7 can pen front armor ... ammo rack or fired by front armor too ...... thats a bit alright :smiles:

What tier 7s are you regularly fighting?

Tier 7 with very few exceptions (Arty, AMX 13-75, Aufklärungspanzer Panther) will never see tier 10 battles unless platooned




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