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IrishGuard #1 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 00:23

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As stated in the series "German War Files"  the later model Marder 2's were often allocated to German paratrooper units. I was wondering if anyone could provide photographic, video graphic or perhaps something to show where these marders were allocated to.

SULOMON #2 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 00:26

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Google images.

IrishGuard #3 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 02:25

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While this is good, I still have no clue on how they were allotted to various formations.

EnsignExpendable #4 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 07:08

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Paratrooper units? I don't think so. The Marder is kind of heavy to be paradropped.

A portion was assigned to the Luftwaffe, but that was for the Luftwaffe ground troops (which, for some strange reason, they had).

Booyashaka #5 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 07:39

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protect aircrafts, operate aa batteries and defend from guerrillas/paratroopers

EnsignExpendable #6 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 18:20

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View PostBooyashaka, on Jan 30 2013 - 07:39, said:

protect aircrafts, operate aa batteries and defend from guerrillas/paratroopers

I'm imagining a Marder with its barrel pointed up and shooting at paratroopers  :Smile_teethhappy:

Those actions could have been done by regular infantry. The reason the Luftwaffe had ground troops was because the entire nazi war machine was hilariously inefficient, and every leader wanted to consolidate as much power under themselves as possible.

Booyashaka #7 Posted Jan 30 2013 - 21:36

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my previous statement was regarding the luftwaffe ground troops, not the marder.


uh, the FallschirmJager was part of the Luftwaffe. I think it's better for air units to have their own ground protection troops than detachment from the Wehrmacht who is under someone else's command. Actually they were 1 of the most efficient, they hold out for years after Kursk with nothing. THe same can't be said for their command structure however.

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View PostIrishGuard, on Jan 30 2013 - 00:23, said:

As stated in the series "German War Files"  the later model Marder 2's were often allocated to German paratrooper units. I was wondering if anyone could provide photographic, video graphic or perhaps something to show where these marders were allocated to.

Doing some backlog checking, and I have to ask... which year are they referring to?

Because German Fallschirmjaeger (Paratroop) Divisions ceased being air-mobile sometime around 1943, and instead became motorized infantry Divisions.

This is why the 3rd Fallschirmjaeger Division - which famously fought in Normandy - came into battle with enough half-tracks and trucks for a whole regiment, a company of Stug assault guns, several batteries of 75mm ATGs, and a battery of 105mm guns. All of which can't be used by "paratroopers" who want to jump out of airplanes, but perfectly usable for a motorized infantry Division.

So if you're referring to the transformed Fallschirmjaegers, then it'd be relatively easy to find one using a Marder - all of the Fallshirmjaegers in 1944 tried to have at least one assault gun company in their TO&E.

Edited by Zinegata, Feb 07 2013 - 16:14.


Spanktankk #9 Posted Feb 07 2013 - 16:18

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Incorrect.  Paratrooper units were issued the Donkeyfaust, not the Marder.

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And this, of course, was a direct answer to the American's 75mm Recoilless Rifle solution:
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Zinegata #10 Posted Feb 07 2013 - 16:26

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Addendum: I'm not yet 100% certain, but you may want to check out the 1st Fallschirmjaeger Division in Italy (1943). It had a Panzerjaeger battalion which one source claims was using mainly Marders.

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View PostEnsignExpendable, on Jan 30 2013 - 18:20, said:

Those actions could have been done by regular infantry. The reason the Luftwaffe had ground troops was because the entire nazi war machine was hilariously inefficient, and every leader wanted to consolidate as much power under themselves as possible.

Years ago I read a book canned Hitler's Navy and the author frequently hit upon the different branches of Hitler's Army not getting along, one cited example was supposedly the first capital ship the Germans lost was to their own airforce due to a lack of communications between the Luftwaffe and the Navy. Based on this I can easily imagine the Luftwaffe wanting their own forces defending airfields and resources over having the Army choose to reallocate defenses against their will. I make no claims to this being true, but it's the impression I get.

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View PostWebtroll, on Feb 07 2013 - 18:52, said:

Years ago I read a book canned Hitler's Navy and the author frequently hit upon the different branches of Hitler's Army not getting along, one cited example was supposedly the first capital ship the Germans lost was to their own airforce due to a lack of communications between the Luftwaffe and the Navy. Based on this I can easily imagine the Luftwaffe wanting their own forces defending airfields and resources over having the Army choose to reallocate defenses against their will. I make no claims to this being true, but it's the impression I get.

The Luftwaffe did actually form its own army - resulting in the Luftwaffe Field Divisions and an expansion of the Fallschirmjaegers. This was basically just a result of Goering wanting to have his own army, like how Himmler essentially had his own army in the form of the SS.

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View PostIrishGuard, on Jan 30 2013 - 00:23, said:

As stated in the series "German War Files"  the later model Marder 2's were often allocated to German paratrooper units. I was wondering if anyone could provide photographic, video graphic or perhaps something to show where these marders were allocated to.

This documentary contains quite a bit of information about the Marder. It is not mainly foocused about where were the Marders deployed, but you can see an interesting footage of a Marder used by Fallschirmjägers near Monte Cassino.



Ignore the title; while they do showcase the Hummel, it is not the main focus of the documentary.



Edit: took a while to figure how to insert a video. It turns out that you only have to wrap the link in [media] tags.

Edited by Richardsen, Feb 12 2013 - 07:31.


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View PostRichardsen, on Feb 12 2013 - 07:29, said:

This documentary contains quite a bit of information about the Marder. It is not mainly foocused about where were the Marders deployed, but you can see an interesting footage of a Marder used by Fallschirmjägers near Monte Cassino.

Cool, that confirms it then. 1st Fallschirmjaegers fought in Italy, so they're definitely one of the Fallschirmjaeger units with Marders.

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View PostZinegata, on Feb 12 2013 - 07:43, said:

Cool, that confirms it then. 1st Fallschirmjaegers fought in Italy, so they're definitely one of the Fallschirmjaeger units with Marders.

Bear in mind though, that the images of the Fallschirmjägers near Monte Cassino correspond to a Marder III M, not specifically Marder II´s as you were asking.

IrishGuard #16 Posted Mar 05 2013 - 03:34

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Thank You for answering my posts, we may not have found a defentive answer yet but I apprecitae your attempts to answer it. I'm glad people on this part of the forum are actually somewhat respectful to each other