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awookie #1 Posted Feb 01 2013 - 03:36

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Are they good vehicles?  Are they worth it compared to their German and Soviet counterparts?  They seem to be decent vehicles, but the T1 heavies large frame, weak sides, and low alpha dont seem to make it as fun as a KV-1.  The M6 is apparently on par with a T-150, a tank which is widely considered okay, but not good.  Does anyone else have a second opinion on this?

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View Postawookie, on Feb 01 2013 - 03:36, said:

Are they good vehicles?  Are they worth it compared to their German and Soviet counterparts?  They seem to be decent vehicles, but the T1 heavies large frame, weak sides, and low alpha dont seem to make it as fun as a KV-1.  The M6 is apparently on par with a T-150, a tank which is widely considered okay, but not good.  Does anyone else have a second opinion on this?
There beast rammers with there frontal armor weight and speed

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It's all about how you play it. With the increased turret armor, the T1 and the M6 is a good time to start getting the hang of hull-downing. You'll want do it in the later US heavies, anyway. Granted, it is a bit tougher with the T1/M6's tall hull, but it can be done. Second to that, you can put that hard front armor to use pushing with the other heavies, and soaking the frontal shots. Just have to be super aware of (or just wary of) the flankers.

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The T1 is a very good tank with very good performance.  However, the M6 has the same armor of the T1, forcing it to be a support tank.  I enjoyed the T1 a lot but the M6 is just ok.

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T1 sucks a lot... papperthin and pew pew gun... no match to might kv
M6 is quite ok but grinding is the wrost pain ever... papperthin (again) two first guns pew pew and totally equal in dmg and pen and cant stand even against an easy 8... T-150 is more bad ass and resist a lot more

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View Postallantorres, on Feb 01 2013 - 03:50, said:

T1 sucks a lot... papperthin and pew pew gun... no match to might kv
M6 is quite ok but grinding is the wrost pain ever... papperthin (again) two first guns pew pew and totally equal in dmg and pen and cant stand even against an easy 8... T-150 is more bad ass and resist a lot more
The kv-1 is really easy to kill ive killed quite a  few in my  m3 lee even

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They're good for hilltrolling thanks to that frontal turret armor. The T1's frontal armor is better for its tier, but they've both got decent levels of frontal armor. The weakness is, of course, that the sides are actually barns, armored with paper, leading to one-shots by KV-2. The T1's gun is pretty good; the M6 is quite bad until you get the 90mm, but it improves greatly once you've got some firepower that works at the tier.

Also, they've got >900 horsepower, which gives them great acceleration and mobility for such large heavies. All in all, pretty good tanks.

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View Posterror_3, on Feb 01 2013 - 03:55, said:

The kv-1 is really easy to kill ive killed quite a  few in my  m3 lee even

Did I said its hard to kill? No. Comparing M6 to KV, KV is better...

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View Posttallstar5, on Feb 01 2013 - 03:56, said:

They're good for hilltrolling thanks to that frontal turret armor. The T1's frontal armor is better for its tier, but they've both got decent levels of frontal armor. The weakness is, of course, that the sides are actually barns, armored with paper, leading to one-shots by KV-2. The T1's gun is pretty good; the M6 is quite bad until you get the 90mm, but it improves greatly once you've got some firepower that works at the tier.

Also, they've got >900 horsepower, which gives them great acceleration and mobility for such large heavies. All in all, pretty good tanks.
yeah I had to convert about 11K free xp to get the 90mm it was so hard to play without it.

smiley119 #10 Posted Feb 01 2013 - 04:00

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Both the T1 and M6 have the awful stigma from the old days where the  KV-1 had its 152 and 107 mm guns and the KV-3 was a T6.

T1 now has OK armour for it's tier. With a little angling it can bounce a few shells here and there. the 76 packs more ROF and better DPM compared to the 85 on the current KV.

M6 is a buffed T1. 90 mm has good ROF, pen, and Damage but is best played as a support tank

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I like the KV-1 and T-150 more than the T1HT and M6.

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View Postsmiley119, on Feb 01 2013 - 04:00, said:

best played as a support tank
Quoted for truth

My M6 was pretty awesome because I had a good amount of the tech already researched through the medium line(Got mine back when the Jumbo researched it). However I have two shot M6's with my Jumbo's derp gun because they overextended themselves and let me penetrate their armor with HE(For 450 dmg a pop)

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View Postawookie, on Feb 01 2013 - 03:36, said:

Are they good vehicles?  Are they worth it compared to their German and Soviet counterparts?  They seem to be decent vehicles, but the T1 heavies large frame, weak sides, and low alpha dont seem to make it as fun as a KV-1.  The M6 is apparently on par with a T-150, a tank which is widely considered okay, but not good.  Does anyone else have a second opinion on this?
They do not have German counterparts as far as I know,as for the question are they as good or equal to their Russian counterparts, absolutely not.The T1 vs Kv-1 is not even a contest,the M6 vs T-150 is a bit closer,but the T-150 is a lot more forgiving.Make a mistake in a M6 and you are likely to pay big time.This is all moot though,as long as the Kv-1s is out there why would you bother with any other tier 6 heavy?

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T1 can hold its own fairly well against its tier, I can do ok against tier 6 also.  It's a pretty decent tank with speed and very good turret armor.  M6 I couldn't get used to.  It doesn't hold up well against the Russians, but still has decent mobility.

Find it funny those who talk bad about these tanks have very few battles in them...  Some have none at all going up the M4 line.

nking1299 #15 Posted Feb 01 2013 - 04:39

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They're not bad or good, they have their moments but are pretty average for the most part. The front armor on both is excellent and the top guns aren't bad (M1A1 for T1HT and 90mm M3 for M6). Acceleration and speed are also very good for tanks of their size, probably some of the best relative size to speed ratios in game (I mean maneuverability as a whole, not hp/ton). Turning speed isn't bad but you can be flanked fairly easily and being flanked means a quick and painful death. Always protect your sides and NEVER overextend without support.
They are good if played well but can both be avoided by going through the M4A3E2, a bouncy tank with a gun that can't penetrate itself from the front. It's your choice, and I'm enjoying the M6 so far (skipped the T1HT by going through the E2) and have about 4000xp until I get the 90mm which should drastically improve it. Actually, come to think of it, it's not your choice, you have to have the 90 when you start the T29, so either free xp it or get the M6 but do not start the T29 without the 90. If you do, you'll join a small portion of the WoT community who think it's okay to have a 76mm, lowish pen gun in at best a tier 7 battle, these are people who need to uninstall, please don't join that select group.

steel_eater #16 Posted Feb 01 2013 - 09:23

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T1 sucks until you get that final engine upgrade. Most ppl skips that upgrade altogether.. torturing themselves in the process without realizing it. T1 is actually pretty decent after the upgrade.


M6 sucks until you get the 90mm (plus engine upgrade that you should've got from the t1). Again.. a lot of ppl skip the 90mm, gimping the m6 big time (not to mention gimping the stock t29 very badly). The m6 is quite a good tank once upgraded, just the stock grind is one of the worst ones out there.

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M6 is insane good vs tier6 tanks a bit sucks vs t7. It actually overperforming  in my hand I played 90 battle and have 66% win ratio 4 top gun (2 radley-walter). If u angle ur armor even kv1s can bounce it but vs t5 tank almost inpenetrable in front.

Sotaudi #18 Posted Feb 01 2013 - 21:15

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The T1 Heavy and M6 are not as well suited to a stand-there-and-slug-it-out kind of fight as most are other heavies,  largely due to their tall hulls.  Getting into a hull down postion improves this, but you will still find that other heavies are better suited to this kind of fight.  However, once you get them fully upgraded, you will also find that they have decent acceleration, speed, and maneuverability for a heavy tank.  This means that they are more suited to a medium tank kind of role, moving quickly to better firing positions or breaking a stalemate by quickly flanking a target.  In my opinion, they perform best when they fill a kind of bridging role between heavies and mediums.

Tex_Arcana #19 Posted Feb 02 2013 - 03:32

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All I know is the M6 is a lot better than people give it credit.
I like it better than the KV1S.
Primarily because you shoot at things that are more than 30 yards away and have a reasonable chance of hitting/penning them (That's with the 90mm of course).
Yes in most cases the M6 should be considered "Support" ; but it's a GOOD support tank.
And I sure as heck don't mind it when I'm top tank in a tier 6-down battle.
I especially like busting up KV1S's that try to steamroll their way through a match; their armour is even easier to pen than the M6.

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I only played the M6 to get to the most excellent T29, and I started with the top gun already unlocked and mounted, so I didn't have much real grinding to do. I liked it. I LOVE the KV-1S, but I liked the M6 ok, it certainly isn't as bad as most make it out to be.

The 90mm is an excellent gun and has good accuracy, pen, and ROF. It isn't the one-shot moster the Soviet 122mm is, but still a excellent gun. Good gun depression means you can often do hull-down to hide your BIG and fairly weak hull.

If you get the drop on a KV-1S, or he's reloading, OR just dumb enough to give you his side, you can often take him before he has a chance to put that monster alpha on you. It's also great at ramming/bullying lower tier tanks.

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