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Poll: Obligatory Poll (26 members have cast votes)

What's the most number of artillery shells you've taken without dying?

  1. One. I always die. (1 vote [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  2. Two, usually. (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  3. Three. I get lucky. (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  4. Four or five. I am a god. (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  5. More than six, because logic. (10 votes [38.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.46%

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Rewdalf #1 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 18:57

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Pretty standard topic.
Nothing too nooby.

I need a veteran to explain this.

Posted Image

From a Hummel.

My guess here is that the pen hole is just misplaced, and he really hit my front plate...
But what if it's not?
Shouldn't that have bounced?
Or is that armor just that weak?
Looks to me like the shell would have torn a bit at the front plate without doing too much damage, but he killed both my driver and gunner with that shot.
Must have been an HE.

Mechron #2 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 18:59

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Ow...

ScionVyse #3 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:04

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A Hummel's HE shot wouldn't have penned there, so that was a heat shell, with a really freaking lucky shot. I've seen those kinds of shell holes before, but never from an arty shot.



I've survived more than 6 arty shots. Whaddya mean a Priest can't do much to a Kv-4?

Nithydux #4 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:04

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View PostRewdalf, on Feb 04 2013 - 18:57, said:

From a Hummel.
WAT.

And just for the record that plate on the IS-3 is stupidly easy to pen.  But from this angle I can't tell which IS tank that is.

Mechron #5 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:06

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View PostNithydux, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:04, said:

WAT.

And just for the record that plate on the IS-3 is stupidly easy to pen.  But from this angle I can't tell which IS tank that is.
IS-3 I think...

SolidBeer #6 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:06

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gold shell?

Rewdalf #7 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:06

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View PostNithydux, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:04, said:

WAT.

And just for the record that plate on the IS-3 is stupidly easy to pen.  But from this angle I can't tell which IS tank that is.
IS the third.

godofdun #8 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:07

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I voted 6, because M41s don't do much to an E75 with a spall liner.

DrJoBob #9 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:08

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View PostScionVyse, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:04, said:

A Hummel's HE shot wouldn't have penned there, so that was a heat shell, with a really freaking lucky shot. I've seen those kinds of shell holes before, but never from an arty shot.



I've survived more than 6 arty shots. Whaddya mean a Priest can't do much to a Kv-4?
the heat wouldnt pen too.... it was a HE.... when HE hits it lives marks.........

Phelps #10 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:13

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I don't think that's a pen, I think that's a ping.  It's the right angle to have scraped along, and then detonated under your tank.  The armor is paper thin on the bottom, and that would explain the dead crewmen as well.  A penetrating shot there could kill the driver, but I think the gunner (in the turret) would be OK.  From the bottom going up, though, they are both fair game.

Rewdalf #11 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:15

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View PostPhelps, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:13, said:

I don't think that's a pen, I think that's a ping.  It's the right angle to have scraped along, and then detonated under your tank.  The armor is paper thin on the bottom, and that would explain the dead crewmen as well.  A penetrating shot there could kill the driver, but I think the gunner (in the turret) would be OK.  From the bottom going up, though, they are both fair game.
That crossed my mind, but a ping doesn't have a pen hole. I's a light silver to represent the warped metal, but never black.

Buccaneer #12 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:19

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Given that shells are "supposed" to bounce automatically after 70 degrees (Devs said that when they talked about penetration in that one mechanics video. It seems though that this isn't always accurate), I would assume that it hit here, exploded on the outside, and did massive damage due to how weak the armor is there

Hurk #13 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:22

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View PostBuccaneer, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:19, said:

Given that shells are "supposed" to bounce automatically after 70 degrees (Devs said that when they talked about penetration in that one mechanics video. It seems though that this isn't always accurate), I would assume that it hit here, exploded on the outside, and did massive damage due to how weak the armor is there
except when the bore of the weapon exceeds three times the armor thickness. so a 50m plate will be penned even at 89 degrees by a 155mm round.

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Maybe your Gunner droped his glasses arround the Clutch/Breaks paddles so he and the driver might be down there searching for his glasses WHEN SUDDENLY impossibru happend.

Rewdalf #15 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:27

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View PostD_X_T, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:23, said:

Maybe your Gunner droped his glasses arround the Clutch/Breaks paddles so he and the driver might be down there searching for his glasses WHEN SUDDENLY impossibru happend.
RNG has honestly done worse than this.

And, if anyone is curious, I survived the battle.
So did the Hummel...

Midnitewolf #16 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:29

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View PostHurk, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:22, said:

except when the bore of the weapon exceeds three times the armor thickness. so a 50m plate will be penned even at 89 degrees by a 155mm round.

Actually this is probably the explaination.  It just barely hit and by rights should have just grazed the hull without penning but because the arty weapons bore is so large, the RNG registered it as an autopen and the game didn't know how to draw the pen hole correctly.

SystemRename3894 #17 Posted Feb 04 2013 - 19:33

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HE hits always look like pentrating shots.

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View Posttankduke1, on Feb 04 2013 - 19:33, said:

HE hits always look like pentrating shots.






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