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SV64 #1 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 19:55

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I'm a casual player in my late 40's who recently left a clan due to conflicting priorities. They wanted to train and I wanted a social club without pressure to play.  

I'm not saying they are wrong. I joined them thinking that I might enjoy what they were doing but I found that I did not.

Any suggestions as to where I might a Clan of mature players who are not into training and intensity?  I'm looking for nice folks who like to platoon on a relaxed social basis.

Should I just avoid clans all together since I don't want to play clan wars?

Calphayus #2 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 19:57

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there are some relaxed non clan wars clans out there. my clan is a bit of both we do trainign almost every night and clan wars but its if you can show up please do to basis. if you cant its all good there are things more important than games.  If interested in checking us out or want more info just send me a PM

willdan #3 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:02

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well if you do not wish to train...whats the point of a clan...cause the purpose of training is to make you a better tanker..you could learn a few things there... so that your skill could be used in a CW...but if your goal is to just casual play then i suggest stay as you are. Eventually all clans tend to take part in CWs...

_Anathematization_ #4 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:10

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started in-game conversation with you

Skpstr #5 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:15

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View Postwilldan, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:02, said:

well if you do not wish to train...whats the point of a clan..

Socialising with others and platooning with people you know comes to mind.....

As far as learning things and getting better, I'm sure there's quite a few skilled players out there who want the social aspect of a clan, but don't have the time to devote to CW.

9mmCapsule #6 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:16

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Go outside to a bar if you'd like to social and lay back at the same time.

Please don't get me wrong, I love to hang with folks in HAVOK, they are all classy guys but we are also extremely competitive, which is what bought us together.

Skpstr #7 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:24

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View Post9mmCapsule, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:16, said:

Go outside to a bar if you'd like to social and lay back at the same time.

Please don't get me wrong, I love to hang with folks in HAVOK, they are all classy guys but we are also extremely competitive, which is what bought us together.

Exactly, being extremely competitive is what brought you together. Others are brought together by other things. If that were not the case, there wouldn't be any social/casual clans in the game.




F0R_M07H3R_RU5514 #8 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:27

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View Post9mmCapsule, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:16, said:

Go outside to a bar if you'd like to social and lay back at the same time.

Please don't get me wrong, I love to hang with folks in HAVOK, they are all classy guys but we are also extremely competitive, which is what bought us together.

Please elaborate as you've touched on a nerve.

When I play(ed) basketball, be it on a playground or in a league, I wanted to win and was competitive.  When I played volleyball, whether or not it was on a beach or corporate event, i wanted to win and was competitive.  When I played chess club, whether we were playing within our team or against other schools, I was competitive and wanted to win.  I am the same with WoT.  Internet Tanks is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

... and yet, there seems to be a sub-culture, of which I am totally unfamiliar.

Platoons of clan-mates, with matching 43% win rates, team-damaging each other in spawn cap and racing around the map in an unorganized fashion  because they play for fun.

how ... why ... what ???

View PostSkpstr, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:24, said:

Exactly, being extremely competitive is what brought you together. Others are brought together by other things. If that were not the case, there wouldn't be any social/casual clans in the game.

Do players come to WoT by virtue of clan association?  I would have thought the opposite would be true.

HZero #9 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:36

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View PostF0R_M0T43R_RU55IA, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:27, said:

Do players come to WoT by virtue of clan association?  I would have thought the opposite would be true.

They do indeed.  My clan was formed as a holding tank for friends coming in from another game.  Several of the active clans out there are multi-game guilds.


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Platoons of clan-mates, with matching 43% win rates, team-damaging each other in spawn cap and racing around the map in an unorganized fashion  because they play for fun.

Now I suspect we are just "playing dumb."  You know good and well that there is a world of players between competitive players and people dinking around.

HIve_Rat #10 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:36

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I found a clan that might be what you're looking for. it's called Dad's Hideout. More of a social/platooning club than a hardcore CW clan (as i'm sure competitive clans will tell you). We do CW, but strictly on a want-to basis. I haven't done any yet, but I have met a bunch of good people.

Only requirement is that you have a kid of some sort, which seems possible if not probable given your age.

If you're interested the website is http://dadshideout.com/

check the forums there for info on the WoT clans. If it seems like a fit for you then there is also info on how to get an invite.

Good luck with your search.

*edited for brainfart fix

Edited by HIve_Rat, Feb 05 2013 - 20:37.


9mmCapsule #11 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:37

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View PostF0R_M0T43R_RU55IA, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:27, said:



Please elaborate as you've touched on a nerve.

When I play(ed) basketball, be it on a playground or in a league, I wanted to win and was competitive.  When I played volleyball, whether or not it was on a beach or corporate event, i wanted to win and was competitive.  When I played chess club, whether we were playing within our team or against other schools, I was competitive and wanted to win.  I am the same with WoT.  Internet Tanks is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

... and yet, there seems to be a sub-culture, of which I am totally unfamiliar.

Platoons of clan-mates, with matching 43% win rates, team-damaging each other in spawn cap and racing around the map in an unorganized fashion  because they play for fun.

how ... why ... what ???



Do players come to WoT by virtue of clan association?  I would have thought the opposite would be true.
Being competitive was in my nature. In fact it's in human's nature, we want to be better than one another, in every way. It's how we advance in the bigger picture of human evolution.

You probably didn't know this but I have platooned with you before, and I know the frustration you are having. I was once in a non-competitive clan before I had my first tier 10 tank, doing platooning and TC with some lay back folk and that was fun (still good old memory). Granted we all just "having fun" but gradually, I noticed the more I win, the funner this game become... until you passed a point, a point of no return.

Skpstr #12 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 20:39

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View Post9mmCapsule, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:16, said:

Go outside to a bar if you'd like to social and lay back at the same time.

Please don't get me wrong, I love to hang with folks in HAVOK, they are all classy guys but we are also extremely competitive, which is what bought us together.

Exactly, being extremely competitive is what brought you together. Others are brought together by other things. If that were not the case, there wouldn't be any social/casual clans in the game.

The OP never said he wanted to "lay back", he just wants to play the game, as opposed to "training".

You don't need to train as a clan to get better. If you did, then the universal answer to a pubbie asking "how can I improve?" would be "join a clan and train", and the Guides section of the forum would be useless.



Skpstr #13 Posted Feb 05 2013 - 21:08

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View PostF0R_M0T43R_RU55IA, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:27, said:


Do players come to WoT by virtue of clan association?  I would have thought the opposite would be true.

Sure they do. There's quite a few multi-gaming clans out there. Some of the larger ones run multiple servers for different games.

Really though, I was more talking about something more akin to my own clan experience.

In NavyField, you had lots of time to chat with people while waiting for games to start, and you saw a lot of the same names in your matches. I started chatting with different people, and got along well with several members of a clan. They invited me to join, and I did.

Having a group of people I got along with that I could speak with on TS was much more  enjoyable than typing in chat when you had time.

We had players of different skills and ship levels. There were some hardcore competitive players, some you would call "baddies", and everything in between. But we all enjoyed hanging out and fighting together.

When an event of some sort was pending, the better players with better ships were selected to represent our clan. We had several cracks at Harbor Battles, never won, but they knew we were there. Nobody ever talked of leaving to join a "better" clan, we just tried to make the one we had better.

WoT is less conducive to this sort of clan behaviour, the MM gives little time for social chatting before the match, and the randomness means you rarely see the same people often, (NavyField "matchmaking" was basically a combination of WoT MM and TCs) but the idea of camaraderie over competition is still there.

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View PostSkpstr, on Feb 05 2013 - 20:39, said:

Exactly, being extremely competitive is what brought you together. Others are brought together by other things. If that were not the case, there wouldn't be any social/casual clans in the game.

Some get the most enjoyment from the competitive part of the game - which is ok.  Thats how they like to play and I for one say more power to them!  There is however, something...  else.  I don't think anyone likes to play with or wants to be associated with a clan that advocates running in circles at spawn.  Anyone that is like that is either a 2 year old or approaches the game like a 2 year old.  However, there are a few of us that like to play a more laid back game.  This does not mean we don't take winning just as seriously as the next guy, it just means we aren't going to get all in a twist about it if someone makes a mistake or god borbid - we don't win.  One of the reasons we enjoy games is because of the challenge, wether that is to fill out a tech tree or get to a certain W/L percentage or dominate a whole section of the CW map.  I've been down the CW map route and didn't enjoy the "part time job" aspect of it.  I also witnessed winning become a priority over the people involved and when that happened I moved on to what for me were greener pastures.  Its up to you to decide how you want to play the game and what works for you.  Once you have that down, find a clan that has the same outlook and you are golden!

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