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Does the KV line really have bad penetration?


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Bobaflay #1 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:11

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I have a T-150 and I like it. I've heard the KV line has bad penetration. Is that true and are the guns really bad?

KingBlueDevil #2 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:14

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122 mm for kv-3 = 175 avg pen
long 107 for kv-4 = 225 avg pen
122mm for ST-I = 268 avg pen

Yoott #3 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:14

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nope... I have no issues with pen on any tier with it

Hoss1193 #4 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:19

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The penetration values which BlueDevil listed are quite competitive at those respective tiers.

KV-3's 175pen is slightly low at Tier 7, but it's good enough.  And well compensated by excellent damage output.

This particular line's biggest challenge isn't the potency of its guns, but rather below-average mobility.

Bobaflay #5 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:22

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I was asking because I was gonna buy a new tank and I decided to buy a KV-1S because I heard about this.

diain #6 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:34

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View PostBobaflay, on Feb 11 2013 - 14:22, said:

I was asking because I was gonna buy a new tank and I decided to buy a KV-1S because I heard about this.

Get the KV1S regardless of what line you go up. It's an awesome tank. It's what the KV3 used to be before the Russian update when it was moved to tier 7. Best tier 6 heavy there is IMO.

BountyHunter177 #7 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:35

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Well, your questions have already been answered: No.

Nothing left to do but... Double post.

Hoss1193 #8 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:38

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Agreed, get the KV-1S anyway.

Although I must say, I kinda like the T-150 better than the old Tier 6 KV-3.  Probably just because I'm a better player now than I was back then.  But even so, I remember that old KV-3 having some pretty severe mobility issues, much worse than the current T7 KV-3 or the T-150 replacement.

OOPMan #9 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:52

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View PostHoss1193, on Feb 11 2013 - 14:38, said:

Agreed, get the KV-1S anyway.

Although I must say, I kinda like the T-150 better than the old Tier 6 KV-3.  Probably just because I'm a better player now than I was back then.  But even so, I remember that old KV-3 having some pretty severe mobility issues, much worse than the current T7 KV-3 or the T-150 replacement.

It was a slug at Tier 6 and it has improved a lot.

Best part of the KV line is the KV-4. Such a wonderful tank, especially when you load up against multiple bads running IS-6s and the like. All they kind do is wail and gnash their teeth as your trollish armour bounces their pathetic 122mm rounds 95% of the time :-)

1Tankdestroyer #10 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:57

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View PostOOPMan, on Feb 11 2013 - 14:52, said:



It was a slug at Tier 6 and it has improved a lot.

Best part of the KV line is the KV-4. Such a wonderful tank, especially when you load up against multiple bads running IS-6s and the like. All they kind do is wail and gnash their teeth as your trollish armour bounces their pathetic 122mm rounds 95% of the time :-)
best part of the tank........ Getting people mad cause they can't pen you hehehehehe

CrabEatOff #11 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 14:58

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Maybe you could have restricted your inquiry to your previous thread on this topic?

http://forum.worldof...90-m6-or-kv-1s/

Thanks for spam posting. Also, you are horrible at tanks, even for a newbie. Spam less posts, spam less games. Read more, ASK less. This question, like DOZENS of your others, could have been answered quickly and easily by research. It is not subject to opinion. Penetration is a hard stat and thus easily compared across tanks, tiers and lines. But because you are either too dumb or too lazy to research, you won't find out for yourself. And thus you will also be a blight on your teams. I hope to never see you in battle.

Chijin #12 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:03

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the only one on the kv line that suffers from a bad gun is the ST-i starting gun but you can unlock the bl-9 with is-3 and save yourself a lot of suffering in that t9 monster

Lert #13 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:04

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Feb 11 2013 - 14:58, said:

*the truth*
Harsh. Funny, true, but harsh. I like it.

OOPMan #14 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:05

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Feb 11 2013 - 14:58, said:

Maybe you could have restricted your inquiry to your previous thread on this topic?

http://forum.worldof...90-m6-or-kv-1s/

Thanks for spam posting. Also, you are horrible at tanks, even for a newbie. Spam less posts, spam less games. Read more, ASK less. This question, like DOZENS of your others, could have been answered quickly and easily by research. It is not subject to opinion. Penetration is a hard stat and thus easily compared across tanks, tiers and lines. But because you are either too dumb or too lazy to research, you won't find out for yourself. And thus you will also be a blight on your teams. I hope to never see you in battle.

Ouch!

CrabEatOff #15 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:06

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Lert, dis guy been pushing my buttons since his first day on this forum.

OOPMan #16 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:08

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Feb 11 2013 - 15:06, said:

Lert, dis guy been pushing my buttons since his first day on this forum.

He does have rather a lot of posts for a newbie, always a bad sign...

Lert #17 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:14

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View PostCrabEatOff, on Feb 11 2013 - 15:06, said:

Lert, dis guy been pushing my buttons since his first day on this forum.
Yes, mine too. I've been actively containing myself, sitting on my hands whenever I want to just fly off in a crushing tirade. Trying to better my life and all that. Getting older, reaching 10k rep, yada yada.

Hence my appreciation for your post.

pyantoryng #18 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:15

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They are pretty much the same for both lines...

The ZiS-24 and BL-9 has the same average penetration value, and both Tier 9s uses the M62-T2.

CrabEatOff #19 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:15

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View PostOOPMan, on Feb 11 2013 - 15:08, said:

He does have rather a lot of posts for a newbie, always a bad sign...

He spam posts on mobile asking simple questions, constantly. If you look through his content, you will see that there is a ____ worth it? Post for just about every tank line, tier 5 or so. 3 word questions. I tried to lead him to the wiki the first time I saw this, when asking about the ELC. Constantly making new threads to re-ask old questions, which either have answers in the wiki or in the sub-forums. Its like Google is a mystery. And pushes back when trying to explain stuff like the wiki. Here, I pulled some gems.


View PostCrabEatOff, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:07, said:

He only has 566 battles, so there is a good chance he doesn't know what he likes!
My suggestion to the OP, is to watch some replays of the various tanks you are interested in playing, and try to determine if what those tanks can do appeals to you. There are tradeoffs between mobility, firepower, and ability to take a hit among all tiers. Characteristics of the tanks determine an optimal playstyle, which you will be shoehorned into (if you wish to succeed. You can always play your IS-7 like a scout and win 39%)
Aquavolt has good points. The French are unforgiving, and it could be prudent to play another line of tanks (at least partially) before playing French tanks.
As a rule though... the lighter the tank, the better the mobility. The heavier the tank, the better the ability to take a hit. TDs have the best firepower, but generally lose turrets, armor (and HP).
LTs are generally the hardest to play with HTs the easiest.
If I had to do it over again, I'd do the USSR IS-7 line first, up to the IS-3. Then I'd prob do the USA mediums up to the T20 or M26. Then I'd decide if I wanted a tier 10, or if I wanted to try LTs or TDs. The German TD line can be pretty solid for learning TDs, as they can take a hit.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:09, said:

What line is the ELC AMX?

View PostCrabEatOff, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:10, said:

bookmark this http://www.wotdb.info/

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:13, said:

Didn't work. Just tell me.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:16, said:

What line is the ELC AMX?  Someone answer.

View PostCrabEatOff, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:18, said:

Lets try another link
http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Main_Page
This is a test buddy. If you can't learn the info you need from the wiki, you're probably gonna suck at this game.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:20, said:

The ELC AMX isnt there. I went there.

View PostCrabEatOff, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:21, said:

You need practice at the internets. I assure you, you can find all the info you need on the ELC AMX from that link.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:22, said:

Anyone going to answer what line is the ELC AMX

View PostCrabEatOff, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:22, said:

I think you've failed the test.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:24, said:

I found it. Before it wasn't there. I'm on a phone you know.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:29, said:

When do the autoloaders start.

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:32, said:

Do any of you like the ELC AMX

View PostBobaflay, on Jan 02 2013 - 18:35, said:

The AMX 12t is what tier


CrabEatOff #20 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 15:16

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View PostLert, on Feb 11 2013 - 15:14, said:

Yes, mine too. I've been actively containing myself, sitting on my hands whenever I want to just fly off in a crushing tirade. Trying to better my life and all that. Getting older, reaching 10k rep, yada yada.

Hence my appreciation for your post.

Moar crushing tirade plox.