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Ananbasis #1 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:03

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I have been alternating playing two tanks, a tier 1 and a tier 4, for the past week.

Both tanks are elite and "accelerate crew traing" is checked.

The tier 4 tank's crew training level has jumped 15% in this time, from 85% to 100%

The tier 1 tank's crew seems stuck at 97% training level.

Is there some special learning curve that makes getting a tier 1 tank crew up to 100% very hard?

Legiondude #2 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:04

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Crew training is done in exponential curves, the more skills you get the slower it goes

zGarmin #3 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:09

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It should also be noted that you earn more XP the higher tier the vehicle is: XP gained is partially based off of how much damage you do; higher tier usually means you do more damage.

Ananbasis #4 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:12

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I don't have any skills, yet because my crew hasn't reached 100% yet.

I've been having some decent rounds in the tier 1 tank, 3-4-5 kills, but nothing seems to move my crew training level above 97%

KannonFE #5 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:12

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On average, I think the lower tier tanks get less xp per match compared to a tier 4 tank. At higher tiers, there's more hp thus more xp to be earned. Greater tier differences and better performing tanks also could cause this.

I've also noticed that in tier 1 the matches take longer compared to higher tier matches.

BattlecryGWJ #6 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:19

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From the wiki:
http://wiki.worldoft...#Training_Level

Another important note:
When you're in a battle, if your tank earns 200 XP, then each of your crew members receives 200 XP (roughly), and you get the 200 XP applied to the tank.  If you have "Accelerate crew training" selected, then the XP is applied as it normally would, but the 200 XP that the tank would get is applied to the crew memeber with the least total XP.

Also keep in mind that your tier 1 is probably earning less XP per battle than your tier 4.

Ober999 #7 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:28

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Right click your commanders name in your garage and click profile and where it says "Experience required to upgrade skill" is how much exp you need to move 1%. It takes a while,keep grinding. :)

roguegoblin #8 Posted Feb 11 2013 - 23:52

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its a simple case of getting more EXP. per game in a higher tear tank.Go to your service record and look at the avg. exp. per game of each of the 2 tanks the teir 4 will be much higher,hence faster crew growth.

IronDukes_Six #9 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 00:46

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Be advised, do not make the mistake some of us did.
NEVER start with a 50% crew, if you cannot afford gold to train, at least wait to crew a tank 'till you have the silver.
Because it will skew your stats for the rest of your WoT career.
I ran the T1 Cuntingham for 528 battles before I realized...
At the low xp available I'd NEVER reach 100% of 1st skill in less than 750 matches.
At 11K+ matches I only have 1 crewman that just started on 3rd skill.
But then your results might vary... I'm just pitiful at the game.

BigWoolyMammoth #10 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 01:02

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Always use silver to start crew at 75% or use gold. A 50% crew will miss point blank shots at a building let alone a tank. WG did this on purpose, hmm need more silver....buy a premium, hmmm want a legit crew for your tank.....open your wallet. I ran many battles before I figured out why I couldn't hit a tank at point blank half of the time. Having a 100% crew is the only way to do well in this game consistantly. I would love to see WG stats on how much gold has been spent on retraining of tanks to 100%....it has got to be in the millions of $'s.  Cha cha ching! I like the game and understand you have to spend money to get full enjoyment from the game, which is why I have spent 100's of dollars on this game. Free to play, but pay to fully enjoy...

Listiger_Wolf #11 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 05:16

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There's a few reasons why one tank will get experience faster than another. There's how much XP you get per battle, which is directly tied to how well you do in that tank. Many people are better at some tanks than others. Also, larger crews will take longer to advance than smaller crews. If you only have two crew, then every second match one crew member will get double XP. If you have six crew, then it's every sixth match. It makes a big difference.

You don't need to spend money on this game to do well or enjoy yourself. Spending money mostly saves time. People are impatient, or just value their time more than money, or perhaps don't enjoy much of the grind, in which case spending money is the way to go.

Going from 75% to 100% doesn't take that long most of the time. It's even faster when they have x2 and x3 crew XP weekends.

Ananbasis #12 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 05:28

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Took me two days but my crew advanced to 98%.

Paul92a #13 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 05:39

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I hate to say this as its a form of 'stat padding' but concentrate on doing damage rather than kills or even wins. Damage is where most of you XP comes from, killing a tank with 1 XP left only gets you 1 XP, wheras hitting a tank with full XP will gain you a lot more. Dont let it dominate your game though, the hit you take to the rest of your stats will take thousands of games to correct.

Mikosah #14 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 05:49

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Its just a matter of time. Each percent of improvement demands more than the one before it, so the last few before reaching 100 will take friggin' forever. While we're still on topic, I did notice something strange. When I finished grinding the AMX38 and bought the AMX40, I retrained my crew to the new vehicle. But going to the 40 demanded the addition of a 3rd crew member. The retraining brought the original two from the 38 down to 75% training, and the new guy was bought at 75% also. But after some gameplay, it became noticeable that the new guy was seeming to level up slower than the others. Not by very much, mind you, but still it would take several matches for his percentage to catch up to the others. Is there an experience modifier put into play when a crew is retrained?

Listiger_Wolf #15 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 06:33

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I have noticed on non elite tanks that my gunner always gets more XP than the other crew. Also, if my commander has mentor, he obviously gets less XP than the rest of the crew.

Hoss1193 #16 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 14:42

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View PostPaul92a, on Feb 12 2013 - 05:39, said:

I hate to say this as its a form of 'stat padding' but concentrate on doing damage rather than kills or even wins. Damage is where most of you XP comes from, killing a tank with 1 XP left only gets you 1 XP, wheras hitting a tank with full XP will gain you a lot more. Dont let it dominate your game though, the hit you take to the rest of your stats will take thousands of games to correct.

While this is technically correct, it's a bit of a "penny-wise, pound-foolish" approach.  It's true that a killshot on a low-HP tank gains little XP compared to a full-damage shot on a higher-HP target.  BUT...taking an enemy gun off the battlefield gets the team one step closer to a win.  Winning the battle gets you a 50% XP bonus, which pretty much dwarfs all other considerations.

The same logic can be applied to other sources of XP (spotting, capping, defending, spotting damage).  If one skews playstyle emphasis too far in any of these directions, then at some point a threshold is crossed where your action (or inaction) is detrimental to the team's efforts toward winning.  This in turn hurts the player's overall XP gain, through not maximizing the number of times he gets the 50% XP bonus.

Bottom line:  just do what it takes to win...the XP will take care of itself.

Lightway13 #17 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 17:07

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I am trying to Accelerate Crew Training but have no check box. I know my M40/43 has to be elite, and it is, but do all my SPGs need to be elite? Do all my tanks and SPGs need to be elite?

Ananbasis #18 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 17:31

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You sure your SPG is elite?

I think the reason it's taking so long to train up my tier 1 crew is that tier 1 battles seem to take a lot longer to finish than higher tier battles...many tier 1 battles I'm in go the full 15 minutes.

Edited by Ananbasis, Feb 12 2013 - 17:38.


sampak #19 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 17:48

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View PostAnanbasis, on Feb 12 2013 - 17:31, said:

You sure your SPG is elite?

I think the reason it's taking so long to train up my tier 1 crew is that tier 1 battles seem to take a lot longer to finish than higher tier battles...many tier 1 battles I'm in go the full 15 minutes.

At tier 1 you don't do a lot of damage since everyone has pew pew guns and low hitpoints. This in turn results in smaller exp and silver. In a tier 4 battle you can more easily earn 200-500 exp, while at tier 1 you're probably going to net 100-300 more commonly. So that has some role in the speed your crews advance. Time in battle has nothing to do with exp/income. It has to do as mentioned above with damage inflicted, spotting, critical hits (which stupidly don't pay you any silver!), scouting tanks first, surviving battle, capping, etc.

http://wiki.worldoft...hCumulative.png

As the numerical % on your crew's current skill (whether primary driving/role or their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. skills later) rises up, it takes more and more exp to just go up 1% more. That is why 95-100% seems to take the longest. This is multiplied and even worse when you're on your 2nd and 3rd+ crew skills as each progressive skill requires an even higher amount of exp. It's too easy to get your 1st skill up from 0-50% in a couple dozen or less battles. It takes almost 100+ more battles to get that 1st skill up to 100%, depending of course on your average exp earned.

View PostLightway13, on Feb 12 2013 - 17:07, said:

I am trying to Accelerate Crew Training but have no check box. I know my M40/43 has to be elite, and it is, but do all my SPGs need to be elite? Do all my tanks and SPGs need to be elite?

You have to make sure on that M40/43 you research all of its parts, and the next SPG after it (not all of them down the line!). Same applies to any tank. You don't have to buy the next vehicle or even mount the newly unlocked parts, just research and unlock everything on that particular tank/spg.

Edited by sampak, Feb 12 2013 - 17:51.


Hoss1193 #20 Posted Feb 12 2013 - 19:21

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View PostLightway13, on Feb 12 2013 - 17:07, said:

I am trying to Accelerate Crew Training but have no check box. I know my M40/43 has to be elite, and it is, but do all my SPGs need to be elite? Do all my tanks and SPGs need to be elite?

There's a difference between "fully upgraded" and "elite".  Researching all the modules isn't enough, you also have to research the next vehicle(s).  In this case, your M40/43 won't be elite until after you've researched the T92.